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Clip 1: Sheriff and deputies enter the Naugler’s property without a warrant, charges or probable cause, and threaten them with a SWAT team:
Clip 2: The officers seem to allow Nicole to return to her family:
Clip 3: But no, they pull her over shortly after leaving the property and remove their two oldest boys.
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why is this happening? First amendment now longer exists in this country? Post this on all KY politicians and leaders, governor, senator state and fed. I already have on Rand Paul page and more.
I don’t mean to sound ignorant, but, I am outraged and would like to post as you suggest. But, I am not sure what you mean or how to do it… sorry
She means posting this on the politicians’ social media sites (Facebook, Twitter, etc.). On a smart phone there may be a symbol at the top of the page that looks like a tray with an arrow, click this and it will give you the option to “share now” on your Facebook page, or to copy the link and paste it on someone else’s Facebook page. Alternatively, there may be icons at the top or bottom of the article that represent different social media sites. You can click these symbols and it will give you a link to the article that you can copy and paste into an email, on a social media page, etc. I hope this info helps.
I called the police office several times.
I said - the World Court, this is ALL humankind present, past and future, condemn this and I ordered them to return these kids immediately!
They always cut me off fast.
This reminds me of the FLDS children.
How can they just do this and get away with it?
Have they no heart anymore?
Lets go people enough! straight up it is time to stop this nonsense once and for all!!!!!!!!!!!
What the actual fuck?
Can someone more familiar with how CPS operates please explain to me what just happened?
CPS can and will exert arbitrary power. You do not speak to CPS.
This happened to me in Cobb County, GA when my son with DS was a baby. They took my two girls and my son. We were moving, house had foreclosed, and they claimed no food in refrigerator…Duh!!! It was in the middle of living room floor ready to be moved onto truck!!! Got my kids back next day, but the tick mark never goes away on the CPS record. This is HORSE HOCKEY! THEY HAVE IMMUNITY. We have no rights!
another Snowden to investigate CPS please -
I am in total shock because of this!
Went through hell with CPS in Cobb County for four years. They just make up stuff, they get $10,000 for each child they adopt out. Especially when the children don’t have emotional, social or psychological issues. Corruption abounds in CPS across the country. A police officer cannot take your children without a warrant, if they do it’s a violence against your rights. Anyone can call anonymously and lie about you and CPS will take your kids no questions asked, so they say. They have to have proof. Unless they’re accusing you of major abuse by law you are still to be informed of medical precedes and have access to that info as will as schools . Know your rights. A lot of children get abused in foster care, they put them in group homes first. Praying for you on all this. God provided me with lawyers that didn’t cost, and it wasn’t legal aid. The main goal of CPS is to drain you financially so you can’t afford to fight in court and don’t get a court appointed one they’re all in the same pocket. My daughter’s foster parents who were trying to adopt her even went to the governor of GA Sonny Perdue to have him petition the courts for my daughter not to come back with me. He even lied in the newspaper about me, he didn’t even know me and I didn’t know the article was about me and my daughter until my lawyers called me because NOW reporters wanted to talk with me. They never responded to my calls when the horror began. It’d the guardian ad litem gets personally involved against the parents they need to recuse themselves because they’re supposed to be objective and do what’s in the best interest of the child not CPS. I know I wrote a lot but I’ve experienced this and have heard many stories like this across the country.
My goodness Sonia…. While I am absolutely with the plight of what has taken place with the One Blessed Family in Kentucky… We need to meet/talk about what is going on here in the state of Georgia…. I too have faced unbelievable odds with the Fulton County Court System/Judge Bensonetta Tipton Lane (who is currently under investigation for fraud, bribery, illegal campaign funds, and her Staff attorney taking bribes, then fired, etc. ), and although I “won” my case( an Emergency Motion Trial based upon my ex husband and his girlfriend mentally, emotionally, and physically abusing my daughter) for sole custody of my daughter back in May 2014, I was then ordered to pay attorney fees to my ex husband who had carried on, and delayed trial for over 3 years!! THIS NOT ONLY GOES ON WITH CPS, BUT WITH THE JUDGES AND GUARDIAN AD LEITEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Something/some law needs to stop them from abusing the “parent” in the system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please reach out to me… [email protected]
And they want to call this a free country right. My ass as a citizen of the USA. We don’t have any more rights. But let an e legal person come into this country and they have more rights than we do. The system really sucks.
I sat and listened to all of these audios. When CPS gets a report, they are required to do a well check. This is to confirm or deny that they kids are ok. To see if there are reasons why they may need to investigate or whether they think all is good and everyone goes home. They usually call for an appt and then come for a visit to see the kids. They usually ask the kids how they are doing, what they like to do for fun, etc. that’s it. If they feel something is wrong, they discuss with parent. And if necessary they will get a court order to investigate further and pull the kids if they felt they were in harms way or neglected. But in this case, the mother refused the very first visit. She started off defensive. It’s her right not to comply she says. Well, no it isn’t. Otherwise what if there really was something wrong and a child died because CPS wasn’t able to get there in time. I don’t understand why she didn’t just let them see the kids in the beginning to show all was good. But she pulled the radical and drama card and went off like a rocket. It didn’t make sense. Not to mention the trauma she is causing her younger children. I just don’t get why either parent thinks this is all ok. Live how you want, but you still have to comply with the law.
Cb, so, we must all “just comply”? You boot-licking sociopath.
Think about what you are saying. We have zero rights. We must worship the state, an unnamed anonymous state called “the CPS” because it’s our duty.
Fine in your world of slavery. But for free men and women, we believe we have the right to live in freedom as long as we don’t harm anybody.
Has anybody come forth to CLAIM they have been harmed by Joe or Nicole? Answer that question! No. But some dead corporation called the CPS says a code has been broken.
But in reality, no harm has been done. What the Nazi sheriff says is, “you didn’t comply”. Or are you the sheriff in disguise?
Go away. Leave this site.
“We seek not your counsel… Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
Speaking of drama queens, seriously? Sociopath? Because they don’t think YOUR way? Why don’t you shut up and take a seat. This “good” dad was stealing water on another person’s property and, when caught, told his son to get his gun in a threatening manner. To the person he was stealing from.
You’re probably as crazy as these baby machine loons. They were failing their kids. They deserve to lose parental rights. You can all hate me now, I give no fucks.
Casey,
That may or may not be true. I agree that with that report being filed, that the officers can investigate. My question is if they were actually investigating that claim at all? There was no question about that but only about the kids. The family would also have the right to have an attorney with them during such questioning. How does taking their kids away from them become the solution to them requesting that an attorney be present.
actually I applaud you for having an opinion! You are correct! The Law is black and white… grey areas like this are not covered… I didnt read or see where the guy was stealing water, how did you find that out?
Thank you Joe and Casey … started to think I fell off the common sense train.
Amen
First of all she has every right to contact a lawyer and have that laywer there when her kids are questioned. That is her right as a parent. I should know cause I grew up in the system. The law was wrong, she informed them that she was getting a lawyer for her kids. they should have left her alone at that point.
by law YES she has he right to refuse! She does not have to allow them on her property, in her home or to talk to her children unless they have a warrant. She is fully within the law and the officer was not. Your ignorance shows and you have obviously never witnessed the removal of children when done illegally, it happens alot. Learn the facts and laws before passing judgment
“when CPS gets a report?” - that’s where you miss it. CPS is unconstitutional crap. any dumbazz person in the U.S. can call CPS and say WHATEVER they want to trash & destroy someone they want messed with.
the U.S. Constitution makes clear we have right to FACE OUR ACCUSERS IN COURT FACE TO FACE, with due process. This backdoor nazi snitch garbage is demonic and subject to the WORST kinds of lies and abuse, and boy oh boy IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
and then, often, innocent children get sent to foster homes, sometimes with PERVERTED FILTH who abuse and traumatize these kids FOR LIFE.
there is NO excuse for CPS, it is a cancer on this republic. it is nazi. it is east german stasi. it is sick.
who do we as parents answer to? the government? CPS? do we “need” their approval as to how we raise our kids? NO WE DO NOT. That is totalitarian. you do not want that, no one should.
CPS is evil. Google the myriad of cases.
What you’ve said is ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!! I hate to admit it, but I have a cousin who is notorious for getting mad at people and calling CPS. It’s almost like ordering Pizza for her. My friends wife is a caseworker for CPS and she’s said they have a saying when they get a report that seems BS. She said they’ll say, “Someone must’ve pissed Kimberly off again.” The worst part is that she’s gotten this organization involved in good peoples lives and once they enter they’re hard to get rid of. She’s the horrible parent but it’s almost as if they turn a blind eye to her doings as long as she keeps feeding them people.
Once again… I TOTALLY AGREE WITH CP!!!!! THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY WHERE THEY (CPS/POLICE/JUDGES) HAVE TO COMPLY WITH OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, IT IS A DICTATORSHIP, WHERE THEY ALL CONSPIRE TOGETHER TO OVERRIDE THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHAME ON ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your comment overflows with ignorance. By law, she is NOT required to comply. CPS and agencies like them prey on those who do not understand, or are ignorant about their rights.
It is the ignorance, and attitudes of people like you which allow these injustices to occur. Under our laws, we do have rights, however they are meaningless if we are unaware of them, and do not excercise them.
Let these demons in your home and a few dishes in the sink becomes a home unfit for human habitation. There is NOTHING good, or wholesome about this agency, they are demons bent on destruction of family. They do not care about children, they are there to flex the muscles of state. They care not for justice, they are all about showing you who has the power, or rather intimidating you to the point that you believe yourself to be powerless against them. Of course the truth is, you have the power over them, it is simply hidden from you. That’s because you are ignorant of your rights, and being so, cannot excercise that power. You’re rather weak minded, I would work on that if I were you.
I have to disagree. She stated that she wanted legal representation present which is everyone’s right. The “fun little questions” about what you do for fun et al… can be used against you. Why would an adult who could be expected to have a little understanding of law and rights have more right to an attorney than a child??? During the first encounter, she may have been defensive, but she was protecting the rights of her and her family. She was cooperating by agreeing to let them talk to the kids after legal representation was present. Since the children were not in immediate danger, they should have accepted this.
Just my 2 cents..
Well said, I can only add she referred to a time previously where she complied “last year” Maybe they had a bad time of it before…
Amen! I am amazed at all the ppl jumping on a support ban wagon. The state does not want kids! I am a foster parent and I know they bend over backwards to keep children in their home. They do not get paid to adopt out as stated. Do ppl want us to return to a place where kids have no protection!
That is beyond a false statement foster parents are payed monthly to care for each child I am only stating honest facts cause I was a foster child and know the bullshit don’t lie to make yourself look good the state pays you monthly until the child is adopted or turns 18 then the child gets a small repeat small lump some of money to try and start a some what OK life which they will always be scared from so say no one is payed OK whatever real people know the truth
You may be a Foster parent but that does not mean you know it all. Have you ever been on the other end? The side turned in and being investigated? Have you ever had false allegations against you and had to prove your innocence? I doubt it if you had you would not think the way you do. Not all case workers are bad, not all foster parents are bad and there are times where they do everything possible to keep the children home but not 100% of the time. Have you ever called to talk to your children foryour weekly scheduled, court ordered phone call only to have the fostermom answer and refuse to let you talk to your children? to have her let you know she wants a baby and cant have one herself but yours is adorable and she will do everything in her power to keep your baby? Because she and her husband want to adopt her? To have her tell you she will not comply with the court order because she does not agree withthe judge based on nothing? I have! My children were taken from me and I had to prove my innocence, I was able to. The judge ordered them returned and it was determined there was not a valid reason to remove them. There was not even a reason for them to be involved. My children have not been the same, never will be the same. No amount of therapy can undo what was done. So you are wrong and have not got a clue. You may be able to speakpersonally for cases with your involvement and knowledge but that does not make you right.
When it comes to that evil organization they wont ever get in my door again without a court order. They wont speak to my children without a court order and attorney for my children, NOT Guardian Ad Leitum because they are almost as bad.
There are cases all the time where children are removed without reason, where childrenare hurt in foster homes, cases that are mishandled. and in most states there is money, a bonus given to CPS/DFS/whatever its called in your state for every child adopted through foster care, and some get money for removing adoptable children before they are even adopted or parental rights removed.
You and so many oters here are so ignorant, clueless and act like you know it all and are so much better than some people when your not. You do not know it all and it shows with all the comments here. Educate yourselves before you decide they never do harm, never do anything wrong, illegal or without cause. Mine were not only taken without cause but without an order for removal, and it happens a lot. Pullyour heads out of the sand, wakeup and see things for what they are not what you think they are.
IF IT WA THE CPS KNOCKING AT THE DOOR, I SAY YES LET THEM IN TO LOOK AROUND BUT FAR AS COP GO/…
That her american right to refuse to answer ant thing the police has to ask her. What everything going on with the police i would have not open my door.
I agree she went off and was defensive to start…but there is a history here with officials (Sherrif, CPS, etc.) stepping in. She is right that the 4th amendment protects her and her family from unlawful searches and seizures. If they present a warrant then she is required by law to allow for a search. If they find the living conditions or the welfare of the children to be at risk then they can seize property or the children. In this case no warrant was presented. Threats of a warrant and court ordered seizures were given but they arrested her for standing up for her 4th amendment rights. The kids are not required to talk…they too are protected by their 4th amendment rights. This family has every right to be on their land…and maintain their privacy as long as they are not breaking any laws. I think they have a major CASE on their hands and the deputy’s office should be super afraid. This will not be the last of this case.
I listened to them all as well. I’m pretty sure that she said multiple times that they could talk to the children when legal representation was present. That is totally reasonable. His responses are not, and are illegal.
If they ask to see your kids let them see your kids. Unless you have something to hide
This is very disturbing who’s to say the “police officers ” wert police officers no paper work of social services with them or court papers to establish what wrong they wer doing and to take the children ALL of the this is disgusting people talk about law and how people should abbey the law!! This act of unlawful trespass unlawful confinement,then to be denied their civil rights the police officers should be held accountable,,,for all of the above!! Sue the state I say
I don’t see how the hell the cops could just take her boys like they did, with no paperwork showing her that they have the right to take them. With no paperwork at all, and only the cops saying they can? WHERE THE HELL IS THE WARRANT, WHERE’S THE JUDGES SIGNATURE SAYING THE COPS CAN REMOVE THE BOYS?!
The first and third clips aren’t playing for me.
I updated the post with dropbox links as well.
PLEASE tell me what we can do, If you have all ready then sorry, but I can not seem to find it. Thanks. This just makes me sick to my stomach.
The state does not know how to respect and treat individuals. The way the mother is reacting is completely justified. This Sheriff needs to be castrated and dragged around the state as an example of how not to treat a woman, mothers and a peaceful family.
Seriously? The sheriff was respectful. Just like said, he was just doing his job.
Respectful? How is that the case, when he had no warrant, no evidence, and no legal cause to remove the children and then SLAM A PREGNANT WOMAN TO THE GROUND? Think about it, and get back to me.
This thug was resisting arrest and not following the orders of an officer of the law. She should be in jail.
COP TROLL ALERT!
There is such a thing as unlawful arrest still in this country. The Supreme Court has upheld it recently and one actually has a right to resist with deadly force if necessary such unlawful arrest. This law enforcement official does not have the power to ignore the constitutional rights of the mother or any other individual for that matter. He arrested her apparently using excessive force for disorderly conduct; however, she was only exercising her constitutional rights. His pride was hurt and that’s about it. I hope he looses his ability to provide for his family. unfortunately until law enforcement begins to respect the rights of the citizens, this sort of abuse of power will continue to happen.
I’m sorry but you are way out of line. You CAN clearly hear that her arrest was an after thought and most likely to punish her as she had aggravated him. What I’ve found is when you have officers that have been long time in their jobs like this one for 21+ years they get full of themselves and CAN’T STAND TO HAVE PEPOLE STAND UP TO THEM !!! She was protecting here children you can’t tell me for ONE SECOND you would NOT do the same when being removed from you !! If you think you would just hand them over you are seriously lying to yourself. WAKE UP !!
you are an idiot. u must not have kids. calling a mom of 10 kids she fears are to be STOLEN from her and spread out into foster care while she has to somehow beg and plead with some judge somewhere for her GOD-GIVEN right as a mom to have her kids back?
You know nothing, fleabag.
She was not under arrest therefore should could not be resisting arrest.
First off this wasn’t what started her mess. If she would have let the CPS do the well check prior to this as they were supposed to, it wouldn’t have come to this. But she chose to be defiant and disrespectful to the point that CPS had to get a court order to enforce it. They have to investigate all allegations. If they didn’t in all, there would be that one case that turned out to be real and a child be hurt or worse. How hard is it to just let the worker see the kids, realize they are ok and be done with it?
Yes…because those “well checks” are always done fairly. Think before you speak! This is disgusting.
EXACTLY, THERE WAS NO WARRANT! NO PAPERWORK AT ALL SHOWING THE MOM PROOF THAT THEY CAN TAKE HER KIDS…….UGHHHH THIS IS HORRIBLE, I HOPE SHE GETS HER KIDS BACK
Hired killer are also just doing their job
Hired killer are also just doing their job.. people like that cop need understand that no evil tyrant in history would of been without man like him.
I agree with “Not God.” I listened to the whole thing and it seems to me that he was just doing his job and she was refusing to comply. If there is nothing wrong, why won’t she let her kids speak to CPS? I had CPS called on my family when I was kid. They came and calmly interviewed us kids and saw nothing was wrong then went away. CPS is legally bound to check out all complaints even if they are unfounded. To deny them access to your kids is making the situation worse. If you have nothing to hide, just comply. I thought the officer was incredibly calm and patient. He tried to explain things to her calmly and in my opinion, she escalated it. As far as the complaint of the woman being hurt in the process of being taken, since this is sound and not a video, I don’t feel it is proof of that. It also seems that she was screaming and thrashing around and most likely her injuries were a result of her own rage…just saying. I understand they shouldn’t have been on her property without a warrant, but if she is refusing to comply with court orders or CPS, then they have a right to following up. If they really do things like have their kids pick up guns against neighbors (explained by the cop in the first clip as part of the accusation against them), then I think they should be investigated. The cop also said he had no problem with them living off the grid and off the land. He said it was kinda cool…and FYI, Social Workers are people and they do have hearts-big ones. I have a friend who is a social worker and have been there to comfort her when she sees children suffer. One time she made the choice to let the kids stay with the family and a kid ended up in a hospital almost dead because of the parents abuse. She had a hard time forgiving herself for making the wrong call. It is difficult thing for all involved in cases like this. Just my 2 cents.
Totally agree!! well said.
You must work for the state a real moron..
> If there is nothing wrong, why won’t she let her kids speak to CPS?
Did you really just say this? This is the same thing as “if you’ve got nothing to hide…”
The bottom line is that they don’t have to comply with anything unless there is solid evidence of a crime having been committed.
A smart person never speaks to the cops, or anyone else conducting a government investigation without a lawyer. And the same goes for their children.
Years ago, my year old niece, was molested by her step mom’s brother in law. CPS was called. The step mom made up a story and they left. They believed her over a 5 year old, innocent child, who knew nothing about the birds and the bees.
He was free to keep doing it for years.
I believe they may have a ton of law suits for not taking better precautions years ago. Now they are totally opposite and out of control.
Well said! sticking up for your rights should not be an admission to guilt!
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE MOM WANTING THE LAWYER PRESENT WHEN THEY TALK TO HER KIDS. THEY ARE MINORS, I DEALT WITH CPS, AND THE ONLY WAY THEY GOT TO TALK TO MY NEPHEW OR MY KIDS WAS IF ME AND MY HUSBAND WERE THERE IN THE SAME ROOM. THE MOTHER DID THE RIGHT THING, SHE WANTED THE LAWYER PRESENT BEFORE THEY TALKED TO HER KIDS, AND THAT’S HER RIGHT! THAT IS HER LEGAL RIGHT! WAY TO GO!!!!
YO, username justcomply, why don’t I come up on your property with a gun in my hand and say you need to comply with whatever my rules might be? what if i make up a cool badge to put on my arm and say that I’m holy because I’m self-righteous and know better than you and I hold democracy as my proof? what if i call myself the new government and say you’re on my property? compliance is legitimization. you wouldn’t legitimize my demands. That’s why no one has to comply, even if things are fine. your argument hinges on recognition of the state as “authority”. If you’re willing to force that upon others, be prepared to be shot.
They didn’t show her proof of the court order. She has rights. At not time was she shown proof of any court order.
Why is any citizen willing to make excuses for abuse of power.
No agency of the government has the power come to your home without warrant with the intention in this case to kidnap your children.
If this agency of our government gave any medicine or vaccines to any of these prisoner children the parents need to sue every individual righteous thug involved as well as every agency of the government involved.
Read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights my fellow citizens and understand what rights are being given up.
To all officials involved “No thank you for your service.”
In Tennessee, children in the care of the state are taken to the county health department. If no record of shots or immunizations exist, the children are given shots as a matter of protocol. Parents, if your children have had any immunization, it is in the best interest of your child(ren) to provide copies of immunizations to the state to help avert your child(ren) from being given a second set of shots. In Tennessee, the children are usually taken to the county health department within a week or two of being taken into custody.
This family has every right to refuse to comply with these officers on the grounds that she was simply waiting to speak with her attorney before complying. None of the children were hurt or in need of receiving help from the state. You cannot possibly justify what’s happening to this family.
Are you kidding me? Police involvement based on a tip? There should be nothing more than a phone call needed. Maybe, MAYBE a visit by a social worker on the parent’s terms.
ALL HEARSAY
So, you believe if someone doesn’t like you and decides to tell the police you are a bad person and they heard this about you and saw that etc. etc. the police have the right along with a government agency the cps to come to your home without warrant and demand you answer questions and take your property and children it is ok with you?
Please make me understand. Show me why my thinking is flawed.
Um, she states that the removal warrant is heresay-and it is because it’s a person saying something exists that another person told them. She is actually right.
But you are TOTALLY right-all that is necessary is a tip or phone call and the police have the right to investigate. But the right to investigate means if they come to your door you have the right to answer their questions, or say, “I prefer not to answer anything, come back with a warrant.”
Interestingly enough-said warrant will have SPECIFIC questions listed on it and you are under no obligation to allow said police into your house, nor to answer any questions not listed. (which is why she says “thats a personal question.” because it isn’t something he need answered.)
Totally legal. Totally correct. Totally not how most people behave because most people don’t know.
I think people are seeing her as noncompliant because the general thinking nowadays (thanks to fictional movies and tv) is that “if you have nothing to hide, you’ll talk.” So they see her as anti-police/government (which she is. Thats fine. Its America-you’re allowed.) But she is completely within her rights. Until she drives off her property.
However, she is within her rights to keep her children until she is shown he removal approval-which she obviously is not. You are not required to take the sheriffs word for it. He should have calmly kept them at the side of the road until he had either paper or digital proof of said approval. I think he even could have had a conference style call on speaker with the county attorney and it would have been legal.
And his arrest of her is going to be a problem. She was calm. Now, if they have video showing her in any way physically attacking the police BEFORE he says she should be arrested-that’s different. But I doubt that will surface. (flailing around AFTER being told you’re under arrest is not the same. And she calmly says about being prey so….the arrest is a problem.)
Does that help with how people would be thinking? That if she had nothing to hide she’d just go along. (its untrue. But I think thats how people think.)
I’ll bet if the pregnant woman was black as happened in another situation you would be screaming racism.
The thing that was different in the Baltimore Freddie Gray case is the cops, mayor and all top officials are black and the city is 95% black.
If Freddie Gray was white you would hear nothing in his defense.
Wow. Interesting point. I bet if she was black this would be either much, much worse-or they would’ve just let her go with compliance because she let the kids talk to the cops if they wanted.
Years ago, my year old niece, was molested by her step mom’s brother in law. CPS was called. The step mom made up a story and they left. They believed her over a 5 year old, innocent child, who knew nothing about the birds and the bees.
He was free to keep doing it for years.
I believe they may have a ton of law suits for not taking better precautions years ago. Now they are totally opposite and out of control.
Absolutely true.
People want white children to adopt…
Google how many cases there are a year of unarmed white people being killed by black police officers. There are way more than you think, you just don’t hear about it. If they did report it then it would be considered racist that it was bring made a big deal. Also, I guess it just doesn’t make dramatic headlines as when it’s almost when its white cops using unnecessary deadly force.
Using other incidences to excuse bad behavior is no excuse. This is abuse of power and brutality. Warrants must be presented to enter property unless there is imminent danger. Please educate yourself as you are being led down a dangerous path thinking the force is government is in the right in this instance. You might be next or someone you love if it is condoned.
So um-she is a bit nuts and anti police, but noone is required to allow police onto their property without a warrant. You are also not required to speak to police without a warrant-nor speak to CPS without an attorney. He did not produce proof-and that is required. Todays age he could’ve shown her a digital photo of the document. Or even an email stating removal of children had been signed. Also, his response of arresting the wife was completely unnecessary-she had calmed down, and his towing of the car he requested to remove-also arbitrary and unnecessary. The husband is respectful and the sheriff is simply retributive at this point. It doesn’t sit well for any case they make. I’m absolutely pro-police (as my family are police and attorneys) but this was handled poorly. This family ABSOLUTELY stayed within their rights. She even knew not to answer personal questions. This is gonna cost the state a huge amount of money and be a mess.
The thing is-she is NOT refusing to comply with the court orders of CPS. CPS isn’t there. And the police officer NEVER says what the complaint is.
He DOES state that seeing the children on site will be fine. Which she COMPLIES with-she even states “speak to the police if you like.” and both children, on their own, say no.
she states she is willing to have all her children speak to CPS and the police if they are represented. That’s totally legal. His analogy is lacking because as far as is told, he has no reason to believe her children are physically in trouble. (he uses a beating situation-which is not exactly applicable-and her response is ludicrous. But that aside….in the case he presents CPS would physically be there. In this case, they weren’t.)
In this case-it sounds like there has been a problem for awhile. They discuss problems from a year ago-and that the poise have been at her property at least 3 times in less than 24 hours. She CLEARLY knows her rights-and they silly should’ve gotten a warrant to speak to everyone. Or had a CPS agent present-apparently the year previous when a CPS agent was present they complied.
He should not have said if he could see the children that was all they needed. Because she fully complied. And he simply should have held them on the side of the road until he could provide her proof of the removal.
This is gonna be bad. But with how she was following her rights (she even knew not to answer any personal questions…)-I get the impression most people today believe in “if you have nothing to hide, you should answer” but that’s not how the system is built. It’s gonna be bad.
As to your friend-thank your friend. The work social workers do is so incredible. So difficult. I’m sure for the number of people she has helped, that mistake has been made amends. I wish we could have heard a social worker in this situation. Maybe the end would have been better.
lastly-preg hormones make you nuts. She pretty calmly says “guys I’m 5 months preg, not fat.” and he says, “well then you shouldn’t have started this.” which is problematic for explaining thrashing and banged up persons. Its such a shame-our country doesn’t need more police issues right now.
thank you for sharing your personal experience.
Having been on both ends of CPS they are not they’re for anyone’s best interest. I have hundreds of people I know going through hell dealing with the state and not seeing their children based on nothing. These social workers(who most are straight out of college with no kits) think they’re saving the world if someone finds a dirty dish in the sink, yes it’s happened. They’re given too much power and when they even defy a judge’s order they’re not held personally responsible because they’re under the umbrella of the system. I’ve known families with teens who were locked in psych wards so they could not contact their parents, because they were denying the abuse the social workers were trying to stick on their parents. The majority of kids on the system are NOT from abusive homes, but many will come out abused and emotionally scared through the experience.
exactly! it happens daly in every state. They need be be reigned in and held accountable when they break the law
True, true. I had just cleaned out some boxes from our recent move. There where dishes in the sink, not even dirty, just unpacked. CPS came because I didn’t have my kids enrolled in public school and a neighbor complained. Papers had been filed with the PS school board but that didn’t seem to matter. Yeah, they took my kids for clean dishes in the sink. We’d just moved in but that didn’t matter. I was “abusing” them because they were not in Public School. Newbie CPS, her first case. They came and interrupted our classes, pushed away all the textbooks and loaded up my children. And me, I insisted they take their English, Math and Journals. (It made the CPS mad- she said they couldn’t take the work, but I don’t care, they where interrupting my children’s education and I wasn’t having it!) The next day we ended up going to court and getting the kids back. The judge warned the CPS that homeschooling is legal. He homeschooled his children also. And, sadly, this still remains on my record, completely unfounded. KY is very bad about taking children for no reason and then adopting them out -Proven fact. The judge did ask about the dishes in the sink, I explained that we’d just moved in (you could see the boxes in the picture she took) and I wanted to put everything away clean. Question is: Why where they bothering us, with clean well educated children? $10,000 per? I had better and more up to date teaching materials then the PS did! (Fact)
The ones that are saying this is ok what the CPS , DHS did , you need to have your head examined. CPS and DHS are a very corrupt organization. There is much money to be made by extracting people’s children and placing them in foster care.if you’re protecting the system you’re part of the problem ! you are either in law enforcement the judge or work for CPS,somehow you benefit from these children being extracted from their families.I call it job security !
People that live “off the grid” aka as land, have chosen to live away from the progression of aggression that is becoming a part of our daily lives in the cities and suburbs that our kids are going to schools in. There are so many changes happening most cannot keep up with the changing of society’s mind on what’s acceptable and what’s not. Try to explain all that to your ten children. People that choose this lifestyle do so to protect their children and give them a more wholesome life learning how to fend for ones self. And to take care of the family. Once upon a time family was the most important thing there was now it your cell phone.so if people that live off the grid seem to ng e a little dramatic when it comes to taking what they have been trying to protect in the first place then I’d say someone is missing the whole damn reason were supposed to teach our children to survive this wretched life that we have imposed upon ourselves. If I knew then what I know now I’d gone off the grid tong time ago. Too old now. I’d probably still have all my own parts in me. Her reaction I find quite normal for the situation at hand. Evidently Nicole has had a few run ins with the locals and they didn’t quite care for her demeanor. Many people don’t care to hear they should mind their own business and I’m sure Nicole had no problem justifying her reason. And shes is right .
You’re absolutely right. The cop was being respectful. And so was she. She asked him for a warrant, he said he didn’t have one. He said the CPS folks would want to see the kids, she said she’d call her lawyer and they would setup a good time for them to talk to the kids with a lawyer present.
If this is a legal matter, and she is the legal guardian, then wouldn’t she be neglecting and abusing her children if she DID NOT provide legal representation for them? Do children NOT have a right to an attorney? They were just put in cuffs and into the back of a police car.
Sure, this family is different, lives off the grid, self-sufficient, and doesn’t believe in government control or welfare. Didn’t several thousand of these folks march in D.C. back in 2010, with yellow Gadsden flags waving, and get their latest Senator in KY elected?
Yes, the situation escalated. But he saw the boys. He saw no evidence of abuse. He said she was free to go. This was handled poorly by the police.
But, unlike people who get arrested, hurt, or killed for actually committing a crime, there will be no Ferguson or Baltimore here for those who are arrested, hurt, or killed for living off-grid with their children.
It’s like idiots who call the police on people carrying a pistol on their hip in an open-carry state or with a concealed carry license. People are so ignorant of the law, that they call CPS on people for stupid crap. Wonder why CPS departments don’t publish ANY metrics on how many calls to CPS end up in resolving ACTUAL issues, and how many are FALSE ALARMS? Wonder what that might reveal?
Just comply? That is what they told the Jews going to “better housing and jobs at Auschwitz”. Don’t ou realize that if you “just comply” with an illegal seizure (no warrant) of your children - you are as lucky as any Jew who went on the train ride to the camps. The States make MILLIONS on the selling of kids to foster care under title 4 from Federal money. To comply would be anti-American. Which you must be or incredibly ignorant.
Just Comply, I agree with much of what you said. But let’s remember that to remove someone’s children, they children must be in very serious immediate danger OR you have a court order to take them. He didn’t show her a court order from what I could hear. If one had been issued by a judge, then the law enforcement officers should have waited for a hard copy to show the parents so they children could be taken calmly and validly.
Amen!
The officer was not respectful, the things he was saying tonher when telling her what would happen were threats, meant to intimidate nothing more. As a parent you do not have to allow the state in without a warrant, you also have the right to refuse them to talk to children without retaliation! Removing them was retaliation and it was done illegally! It happens all the time in every state! CPS gets paid, states get paid and in some statez the case workers for evry child removed and adopted. They get a lot of money and they take many without reason and illegally! I hope they get their. Hildren back fast. The trauma from being removed and placed is unreal, it will damage those choldren in many ways, and it will stay with them their entire lIfes. I am amazed at how many ignorant people here have responded. Bet most of them also think they can believe everything the government and police say cause they would never lie! Do yourselves a favor, educate yourselves, learn about how things realy are outside your bubbles. You have never had your child ripped away on false accusations to know how it feels, never had to fight to get them back when you had done nothing wrong, having to prove your innocence and when you do still get treated badly. Never dealt with the horrible things that it does to a child, things that dont go away ever.
You have to understand them also. They live off the grid and to me seem to know their rights full well. It’s the officer who repeatedly flaunts the law. You have to have a warrant when entering a private property !! Very simple. And just like she said in the 1st tape he waited until she was in her car to stop her most likely for non-existent traffic stop so he could get the results he was after i.e. get the kids and arrest the mom. These guy’s KNOW exactly how to play the system in their favor EVEN THOUGH when prosecuted they would loose and have lost many times. Small town sheriffs are the worst as they are in their own kingdom without ANY oversight and you can clearly hear that in all the tapes that hey are ABOVE THE LAW !!! When you have enforcement that thinks that way you end up with issues like we read about daily in SF, CA.
There are good people that work in these agencies, however, most don’t last very long, as they witness the injustice of what occurs withing the agency. You can find their testimonies all over youtube.
I’ve experienced the hell these people can put you through. They mislead, misinform, and flat out lie, anything it takes to prevail against you. I prevailed against them, but it was a hard won battle, and one that still gives me nightmares.
They came after me because I have battled the school district for years trying to get educational services for my autistic child. Our child has received one hour of educational services, four days a week for the last 6 years, that is all we have been able to get from the district. I have been very vocal in persuing more, and better services. The CPS agents told me it was the school that called to report suspected abuse.
Many of them are good, however they allow themselves to go bad by telling themselves its in the best interest of the children. At some point they either quit, or surrender to corruption.
“If you have nothing to hide, just comply.” That always sounds so reasonable until you think of things like Nazi Germany, the US revolution, etc. I think that argument should be abandoned as inherently dangerous as far as tyranny is concerned. People who have something to hide are also quite likely to comply. Please consider some important issues brought out by this case — things you can actually control by your thoughts and actions. http://wp.me/p2lWt3-v9
It is not the sheriff’s job to do what he did. This is not communist Russia.
Really? I am confident that entering property to abduct children with neither a warrant nor probable cause is not doing his job
He wasn’t there to abduct children. He was there because SHE chose not to comply with a well check with CPS. And because of that she was interfering with an investigation. All she needed to do was let CPS see the kids prior to the sheriffs visit and see that the kids were all ok. And it would have been dropped. But she got all defensive. What if a child really was endangered? Then when something terrible happened, people would have been raising Cain because CPS should have checked it when they got a call.
@CB~They didn’t HAVE a warrant!!! If they had a warrant this would’ve been a totally different story! Are you kidding me? She wasn’t being respectful? She knew her rights and he didn’t like that! Did you not study the US Constitution in school?
Who does the sheriff serve? Not the people who pay him for sure.
No thank you for your service sheriff Pate or whatever your name is and I ask now for your resignation.
They didn’t a warrant! The police made a personal judgment and took the children illegally! If you or i did that we would go to prison! That’s not respect and it’s not his job to kidnap kids! That’s what this is! It’s kidnapping because they didn’t have a warrant and they didn’t witness or have a witness to any type of abuse or neglect. So the officer wasn’t “just doing his job”
He was In no way respectful. And if he was doing his job he would have been well informed when she asked where the proof of the warrant he recieved to seize the children. He would have also known the rights granted to a US citizen given by the constitution which says she is allowed to refuse to speak to them until she has an attorney, she is also allowed to refuse search and seizure without a warrant. He was clearly trying to provoke her by taking fight out of clear context and adding aggression. He also stated multiple times that she was in the wrong by exercising her rights instead of giving in to them and letting them speak with her children which she as a parent deemed an unsafe situation and did not want her kids involved. Yeah he sure sounds like a great guy.
He sounded like a sociopath, very manipulative and full of lies. I will bet you he is a full blown sociopath.
“He sounded like a sociopath, very manipulative and full of lies. I will bet you he is a full blown sociopath.”
It’s likely because sociopaths are attracted to law enforcement and a lot of them choose to run for sheriff and sadly with the number of Americans who are mentally ill or sociopaths it is easy for one of them to be elected sheriff especially if he is a well liked and known member of the community who grew up with many of the people who voted for him. When new people like them move into the area this can cause the local sociopaths and their elected nutcase representatives to come unglued.
“Seriously? The sheriff was respectful. Just like he said, he was just doing his job.”
Your definition of respectful is so twisted that people must suffer the disrespect of having their rights being violated and everyone is supposed to just take it since he was just doing his job.
Wrong, a sheriff is ELECTED and has discretion. He chose to do what he did and that is what this comes down to. One of this family’s neighbor had other neighbors (probably people who aren’t their friends to begin with since people like them would never vote for such a vile man to be sheriff) vote for him and he took it upon himself to violate their rights.
This is what you do not understand. He did not have probable cause. He committed an act of kidnapping and the fact that others of his neighbors voted for him does not change that. It is not a legal authority that the state has to take people’s children without probable cause and due process.
It’s not respectful to use authority, power and a threat of a gun on your hip against those who disagree with you when you are relying on nothing more than an anonymous tip that you could have called in, your wife could have called in or your own children or friends could have made so that you their family member/friend could use your power as sheriff to kidnap the kids of someone who would never vote for, marry or be friends with such a vile person as you.
Once again, this all started before the sheriff arrived. She started this mess by not letting CPS do their well check. If she would have done that, the sheriff wouldn’t have even been involved.
SHE’S UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO LET THEM DO A WELL CHECK based on an unknown accuser, no evidence, no warrant, nothing. I know darn well what CPS is and how they operate, and these unknown complainants are all made up most of the time. I know a family that had rotten neighbors. The rotten neighbors wanted to get vengeance on them and called CPS and said they thought they heard children being beaten in the home. It was all nothing but lies to get back at the family. CPS showed up, and now they have an unfounded record…..The State has no right to force you to prove you did nothing wrong. The burden of proof always lies on them…..I had a relative whose kid was shooting a super-soaker in the house and was warned repeatedly to knock it off. He didn’t. When the father (who was a cop by profession) turned to grab the water pistol from the kid, the kid turned quickly and hit his head on the wall to keep it away from his father. He goes to school the next day and the teacher asked how he got a mark on his forehead. The kid (justifying it in his own little mind) says my father did it. Promptly, CPS showed up. Now, because the father is a cop, there is an internal affairs investigation prompted…..CPS has far too much reach, and should have it all cut right off!
She did not refuse to comply with their investigation. She wanted it done with an attorney present, legal and nothing wrong with it. Why dont you just comply when someone makes false accusations on you, let them come right in and watch how fast they twist things. They twist your words, your childrens words, and will be so picky about your home its unreal. You can not keep your home clean enough they will always find something wrong. She was well within her rights. The Sherrif was not.
Agreed
“he was just doing his job”, Ah yes, pretty much the same defense every nazi gave to justify their actions.
This sheriff couldn’t have been any calmer. If she would have complied a day or so before that, this wouldn’t have happened. She was defensive from the start. She had already broken the law days before. That’s why it ended up where it went. And why would a father talk to his younger children the way he did talking about trauma. You don’t just tell your younger kids that their sibling was kidnapped. He should have said, Mommy and Daddy broke the law, so we now have to jump through hoops to get things straightened out.
I’m sure that’s how everything works in your country (North Korea), but this is America, and it is not unlawful to exercise our god given rights. That is what UNALIENANBLE RIGHTS are, god given, meaning no one can take them away, though they can unlawfully deny them.
Whoa there!! Hate breeding hate will never get you anywhere. I can not believe you stated such a barbaric comment about anyone. I’m appauled, but maybe that was the reaction you were looking for.
Kentucky has a history of CPS abuse of family rights. See: http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/05/05/whistleblowers-reveal-cps-child-kidnappings-in-kentucky-adoption-business/
The whole country has a history of CPS abuse. I doubt there is even one nest of these demons in this country that is free of corruption, and abuse.
Here’s one from my neck of the woods; http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1237302
A warrant is not required to enter your home if there is an order to remove the children fro the home. And they wouldn’t just take the children based on someone’s anonymous “tip” without some sort of evidence to back up their story. It’s a shame that this is legal. Unfortunately, abuse/neglect is subjective. What one views as abuse or neglect can widely vary from person to person. I hope they can come to some sort of mutual understanding and get their children back.
That is absolutely not true. The children have to be in “imminent danger.” In other words, in danger of dying during the time it would take to get a warrant. This has been upheld all the way to the Supreme Court.
You confuse what is legal with what happens. It does no good to know the police are acting unconstitutionally and that years down the line, if the family has tons of money to throw at attorneys, a judge will agree with you.
CPS never visited the home. The children were not in danger. An investigation has to be done first Unless the children are in immediate danger. Why were the children Removed from the home? What were the allegations? This is crazy.
And you think that young children holding guns on their Facebook page with no parent in the photo is a good idea? This woman is a belligerent piece of white trash. I hope CPS takes the kids and puts the parents in jail. She keeps saying that they had no reason to take the children, yet the Facebook page for the family says it all.
“And you think that young children holding guns on their Facebook page with no parent in the photo is a good idea?”
That is not your place to decide for others. People the age of these children have fought in wars throughout history and many including Alexander the Great ruled countries at younger ages. There is no basis to believe that a child of the ages in these photos do not have a set of skills necessary to use a firearm and since they are on private property and not threatening anyone with the gun in the photo they are also exercising their second amendment right as Americans. If their parents object to their exercise of their Second Amendment rights then the parents can look into the issue themselves and address it but the right to bear arms on private property is none of your business.
“This woman is a belligerent piece of white trash.”
She does not have to be polite to scum who think the way you and your scum family think. She is not white trash. Your family is and so are the families of those like you in office including this sheriff who is a scum.
“I hope CPS takes the kids and puts the parents in jail. She keeps saying that they had no reason to take the children, yet the Facebook page for the family says it all.”
Which is what? They don’t share your political views? So your elected sheriff can come down on their family with guns and take their children and put them in jail because they wouldn’t vote for him, you or other members of your white trash families?
This is plain and simply a political disagreement between the sheriff and those who vote for men like him and this family and those who don’t agree with twisted white trash like you.
I had a 22 rifle at 12 years old, and to this day I have never shot at anything I didn’t intend to eat. Okay, so there were a few bottles, and cans I filled with lead, what of it?
It’s all because she refused the cps well check visit. Otherwise the sheriff wouldn’t have even been involved. This started before the day the sheriff showed up. Because she refused the visit, the sheriff was to get the kids and let the CPS worker do her visit. She through out the drama card and made a mountain out of a mole hill.
You do not understand that she was lawfully exercising constitutionally protected rights. The constitution does not confer to us these rights, they are unalienable, god given. The constitution merely offers protection of these rights under law, so that we have a means to lawfully prosecute those who would disregard them, like the sherriff here for instance.
Yes they will. There are certain allegations which will result in the immediate removal of the children, always if there is concern that the children are in danger of immediate harm.
There was no order produced. There was no warrant. There was no CPS visit. She was 100% accurate in her rights. They had a right to an attorney. This originally was about water?? What a sad time we live in that anyone could justify this agency’s behavior. The cop is a terrorist who is taking a paycheck to break our country’s laws.
I totally agree with you! I couldn’t have said it better myself!
What order and from whom?
You Vanessa are an agent of the government and what do you mean the parents have to come to some sort of mutual understanding to get their children back?
Their children have been kidnapped illegally by an agency of the government of our United States of America.
Read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights
Every lawyer with any allegiance to our country must come to the defense of this family and all of us since to allow this action to stand is to allow traitors to run our government.
What order and from whom?
You Vanessa are an agent of the government and what do you mean the parents have to come to some sort of mutual understanding to get their children back?
Every lawyer with any allegiance to our country must come to the defense of this family and all of us since to allow this action to stand is to allow traitors to run our government.
What order and from whom?
You Vanessa are an agent of the government and what do you mean the parents have to come to some sort of mutual understanding to get their children back?
no imminent danger reported. In fact, no complaint at all -she asks multiple times. So this statement is false. And a CPS agent must be present-which there was not one.
The CPS agent wasn’t there because they tried to communicate with her days before to do a well check because they got a report called in. But she refused. That’s why it has gone this far. This didn’t just begin with the sheriff showing up to take her kids. She has failed to report that part of it.
The anonymous tip was probably made by a member of the sheriff’s family since that is what white trash families like his like to do so that their white trash family member can go take the kids of their political rivals.
YOUR WRONG VENESSA !!! CPS & DHS SEEM TO BE ABOVE THE LAW ! And NO ! They don’t need any proof ! None zero nada ! They just take. There are folds I know personally that has had this happen to them. NO drugs or domestic violence. Clean record. But yet their children were traumatized , the children were made to disrobe in front of complete strangers. Asked questions , same question over and over time the case worker was able to manipulate the child and distort what he said. I know people In CPS they are whistle blowers . They got out and are fighting the battle along with many others in high places. The system is broken. It is no longer in the better interest of the children. All it is is a positive cash flow for CPS . If your a case worker YOU are part of the problem. Someday I wouldn’t doubt it if you don’t see people go postal and start retaliate against case workers. I see it coming !!!!
you are deluded they do this all the time. the fact that no warrant was present that no CPS order was shown are we just supposed to take the authorities word when cop abuse runs rampant all over this country. think before you speak there was no evidence no proof and yet this happens all the time.
YOUR WRONG VENESSA !!! CPS & DHS SEEM TO BE ABOVE THE LAW ! And NO ! They don’t need any proof ! None zero nada ! They just take. There are folks I know personally that has had this happen to them. NO drugs or domestic violence. Clean record. But yet their children were traumatized , the children were made to disrobe in front of complete strangers. Asked questions , same question over and over till the case worker was able to manipulate the child and distort what he said. I know people In CPS they are whistle blowers . They got out and are fighting the battle along with many others in high places. The system is broken. It is no longer in the better interest of the children. All it is is a positive cash flow for CPS . If your a case worker YOU are part of the problem. Someday I wouldn’t doubt it if you don’t see people go postal and start retaliation against case workers. I see it coming !!!!
This is how I lost my children to the state of KY. They came in and took my kids on an anonymous accusation and I fought for over two years to get them back. Did everything cps wanted me to do but it did not matter. The judge terminated my parental rights and then adopted my children out. I don’t even know where my children are right now or even if they are ok. I definately do not trust the state of KY.
How horrible. So now the family is torn apart, the children i’m sure are not all together, not understanding what is going on…yeah…this is such a wonderful way to treat people. I’m just not understanding how this all goes down with no warrant or any documentation in today’s world. My heart goes out to this family and surely hope that it is all resolved quickly without affecting the children too much. Stay strong and FIGHT!
She sounds like she’s mentally unstable and the officers were beyond patient. Please don’t sensationalize this as police taking kids for being off grid. What this is is people trespassing, threatening neighbors with a gun and acting completely unstable.
You’re a complete moron. She is being a parent and their job is to protect their children. This is terrorism. What’s wrong with this country is people like you.
My thoughts were similar.
Show me proof that anyone threatened anyone else with a gun.
It is on her Facebook page where she threatened a woman. Also her husband was wanted for threatening the neighbor over water. That is why they were there because if you listen to the audio you can hear the cop ask her where her husband is?
“It is on her Facebook page where she threatened a woman.
“Also her husband was wanted for threatening the neighbor over water. That is why they were there because if you listen to the audio you can hear the cop ask her where her husband is?”
That makes a lot of sense which is why in her husband’s exchange with the sheriff he wasn’t arrested. LOL.
You are clearly an imbecilic person with no common sense or reason. Why don’t you run for Sheriff like this mentally handicapped one did. Sheriff Zabel the mentally retarded child of the Zabel’s.
Had the father threatened someone with a gun and there was a shred of evidence that he had done so he would have been the one arrested but they didn’t have any proof or probable cause to obtain a warrant for his arrest and had they arrested him he would have been released for insufficient evidence. Also, if someone is telling their kids to go into their house to get a gun that means they are on their property and the other person is trespassing. It sounds like a nut case neighbor was trespassing and from the sound of it other sources are pointing out that this person was not the landowner of the water source and that this family had the permission of the land owner.
Sounds like a neighbor with a personal vendetta with this family called CPS on them. Maybe even the sheriff or one of his friends.
I would be near hysterical, too, if someone was trying to take my kids away for no good reason. I’ve read of case after case after case in many different states of the gov’t taking away children with absolutely no proof b/c of a tip from someone and in these cases there was nothing done wrong. One instance was b/c a toddler escaped out the door with no clothes on and a neighbor called CPS. Insane. I’m not a law-breaker and appreciate the police doing their jobs properly, but one of my worst fears has been of some “well-meaning” person calling CPS and them coming after me. I know how to stay level-headed in intense situations, but I know that my wife would be hysterical, sobbing and yelling at them.
The NEW WORLD ORDER:
Do you notice folks, the rhetoric is the mother and father are mentally unstable.
This is the propaganda being pushed on the cable news programs as well. Every one who disagrees with illegal acts of the government or even questions our government is unstable or a terrorist.
So, if you listen to people like Rachael we will be either put into a de-programing mental institution or given the death penalty for being called a terrorist.
Thank you George Bush Dick Cheney Rumsfeld and now Barak Hussein Obama for the ‘PATRIOT ACT’
which takes all of our constitutional rights and makes us equal or worse than NAZI Germany during the WW11
SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING - SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS - GET ON THE TRAIN - GET IN THE OVEN
“Do you notice folks, the rhetoric is the mother and father are mentally unstable.”
That is essentially the argument people use for those who dare to disagree with them or who see the logic that they use as flawed. This mother and father must be crazy because their mommy and their daddy didn’t tell little boy Sheriff and his wife that there was some thing wrong with little boy sheriff and his crazy family.
“Every one who disagrees with illegal acts of the government or even questions our government is unstable or a terrorist.”
It’s the best argument that they have which goes like this:
Our mommies and our daddies raised us to treat others badly and when we do that we can call them crazy or mentally unstable when they dare to defend themselves. It’s the typical bully whether it is the school yard bully or the electoral bully who elects other bullies to bully others on behalf of the collective bullies.
Ah, but she doesn’t. According to the police report the father said “go and get the gun” which is in no way a “threat.”
They do seem to be trespassing on others land-but I felt that stating they are completely unstable was an overshot. Slightly nutty, yes. completely unstable, no.
You’re right though-definitely not for “being off the grid.” Although-if they’re taking water, they’re not off the grid. They’re stealing.
I feel the oversensationalization of the title makes people want to know about it though. And, I know KY has abuse of power within the police,and child abuse issues rampant in the state (easily googled. Its a real problem.) So perhaps they felt it was a necessary thing to make people pay attention and not just see another story from the same type of thing?
Police are gonna have problem though because there were some serious issues with the arrests and removal though.
Oh is your job threatened to Rachel. When parents go viral trying to get the word out to bring awareness to the public we get people like you who try to put questions in people’s mind that maybe they deserved this , my guess is they have once again created another job watching the blogs trying to protect their job. You are a work of art for sure. Again cash flow ! What part of the system do you work in ? Officer , case worker, ER , counselor ? Every child taken there is incentives , but you already know that !
Oh is your job threatened to Rachel. When parents go viral trying to get the word out to bring awareness to the public we get people like you who try to put questions in people’s mind that maybe they deserved this , my guess is they have once again created another job watching the blogs trying to protect their job. You are a work of art for sure. Again cash flow ! What part of the system do you work in ? Officer , case worker, ER , counselor ? Every child taken there is incentives , but you already know that ! Pull your head out of your arse.
“She sounds like she’s mentally unstable and the officers were beyond patient.”
She is the one being beyond patient with the sheriff who is actually nothing more than a neighbor who is elected to keep the peace. He has no more authority than he would if he was a private citizen performing the same functions. If I can’t kidnap your kids who are not in imminent danger I still can’t even if a lot of people who are my family, friends and neighbors vote for me and say “since we can’t individually kidnap the kids of those who don’t agree with our families we elect you to do collectively what we can not do individually.
“What this is is people trespassing, threatening neighbors with a gun and acting completely unstable”
There is zero evidence of trespassing or threatening a person with a gun and if that is the case then why isn’t the man they allege who did that arrested for doing it instead of his wife being arrested after a neighbor they can’t stand tries to take their kids from them. It’s time for this father to run against the Sheriff and send him packing to his home.
do you have children? if so how would you react if they came and took your children? I guess you know it all and also know how stable you would be if it were your children being taken. You do not know how you would react until your in the situation. Judging another person for her reaction to her children being taken is pretty harsh,not just you but al the other know it all, judgemental, ignorant people who know all there is to know.
CPS is a joke.
Their kids all wear dirty clothing and always act hungry. F*ck these people and I hope these little souls get sent to families who will actuay give them a REAL education, a REAL FUTURE, and clean clothes and warm food in their bellies. Shame these people for thinking they have the right to impose their lifestyle on harmless children. Kids don’t deserve to grow up like that. Ateast give them a chance in a world where notany kids get a chance.
Real education? Give me a break. God intended us to teach our own children. Parents care more if their kids are learning than any teacher would.
Really? Do you have any kids? Let me guess… i bet if you do, you raise them based on your ideals and principals. Well, why are you imposing your way of life on your kids? What the heck is wrong with you?
See how that works. You should probably try to think a little more before posting next time.
I’m a homeschooling mom and I am sorry, but I do not feel led to offer any financial support.
The officer was doing his job. He simply wanted you to cooperate and allow CPS to speak with the children to determine if the claim made against your family was true. As soon as you heard there had been a complaint made against your family you should have called HSLD or hired an attorney to meet in a public place with your children and CPS. That would have solved the situation.
You simply escalated the matter by implying you would use guns when you stated that you would do whatever you needed to do to protect your children.
Now, IF the accusation is true that your husband told one of the children “to go get the gun” when you had a confrontation with the neighbor is correct, then you are in the wrong. Civil people don’t solve problems of water usage with guns! They use the legal system. Shame on YOU for causing your children to be removed form your family!
> Civil people don’t solve problems of water usage with guns! They use the legal system.
This is a bit self-contradictory. The legal system is nothing more than asking someone else to use the gun for you.
She told the Sheriff that she was in the middle of hiring an attorney and would allow the sheriff to meet with them once she had one, Sooo she tried to do that, and it DIDN’T solve the situation..
Thank you. I completely agree with you. She let this mess escalate to the level it is now. Who tells their younger that their sibling was kidnapped and they would be too? That is mental abuse on those children. Very sad for the kids.
“Their kids all wear dirty clothing and always act hungry. F*ck these people and I hope these little souls get sent to families who will [actually] give them a REAL education, a REAL FUTURE, and clean clothes and warm food in their bellies. Shame these people for thinking they have the right to impose their lifestyle on harmless children. Kids don’t deserve to grow up like that. [At least] give them a chance in a world where [not many] kids get a chance.”
You are incredibly ignorant and a coward for not using your real name.
SHOW ME THE PROOF
SHOW ME A WARRANT
TELL ME WHO REPORTED THIS FAMILY (WAS THE REPORTER SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO HURT THE FAMILY )
HOW DO YOU KNOW THE KIDS ARE DIRTY AND HUNGRY?
THINKING PEOPLE OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY SAVE THIS FAMILY
Actually the CPS worker herself doesn’t have the persons name who reported it. That is in the system, but not listed on any paperwork at all. So the worker has no clue.
not true they do not always have the name of the person who made the call but the majority of the time they do have it as well as contact info.
Idiotic
I totally agree. I feel bad for these kids.
Where did you find this info? I can only find that the CPS complaint of these things were labelled false both last year, and with this.
(I’m speaking of the clothes and food thing. I’m leaving your comments on whether their education is sound alone as you are entitled to that belief-except for the fact that you haven’t met these children and have no grounds for such an opinion.)
I would VERY much like proof that the CPS report was real though-and not just retributive. Thank you!
so what because of child has dirty clothes on that means that their abused and not taking care of any kid that plays anywhere or does anything is going to get a bit dirty have you been a parent for real education will take a look at the school I got a six grader who is bullied so much he doesn’t want to go to school anymore and he’s the one who got suspended for defending himself you want to talk about a real education and a real future I taught my children more at home than the school has taught them CPS well that’s a whole nother ball game because them people are a joke they take the kids and the longer the kid stays in the foster home the more money the foster parnets gets. I am not saying all social workers are bad because we do have a few who do it for the kids but at least 75% of the time when they take kids it don’t turn out good. and most of the time the kids that are being taken are the ones who should stay home and they should look at the others. As for living off the grid and them allowing thier children to be around firearms well i grew up in the mountainss and only wish my kids get to learn all i did from being raised that way because as long as society tells me how to raise them and what to do with them then we will not have any generations to follow in our grandparents footprints and be able to survive on their own if something should happen to this modern world we know today.
I hope this all gets resolved and the kids get to go home to mom and dad where they should be
A Loving Caring Parent of 6 Children
“so what because of child has dirty clothes on that means that their abused and not taking care of any kid that plays anywhere or does anything is going to get a bit dirty”
What makes this statement so ridiculous is that the CEO of Levi Jeans stated in 2014 that he hasn’t washed his Levi’s in over a year and recommends that we not regularly wash our jeans. Maybe she was imply using this CEO’s advice and understands that over-washing or over-cleaning of anything is a huge problem in our country.
“As for living off the grid and them allowing thier children to be around firearms well i grew up in the mountainss and only wish my kids get to learn all i did from being raised that way because as long as society tells me how to raise them and what to do with them then we will not have any generations to follow in our grandparents footprints and be able to survive on their own if something should happen to this modern world we know today.”
This is a very valid point. These children’s ability to use a gun may well come in handy should a meteor hit the earth or some other cataclysmic event take place that puts us in a very bad situation. Their ability to live off the land and to use firearms could actually be what keeps them alive. Regardless of whether people think this could happen the choice is the parents to make when deciding what to teach their children in terms of self-sufficiency.
“Their kids all wear dirty clothing and always act hungry.”
Nothing wrong with wearing dirty clothes. Its economical to wash cloths periodically and to re-wear the same cloths. In fact, those who manufacture jeans tell us not to wash them. In fact, in 2014 Levi’s CEO Chip Bergh revealed that he hadn’t washed his jeans in more than a year. A CEO of a company was wearing DIRTY clothes. If your objection isn’t to it being dirty or unwashed and more to do with what the clothes look like then you are stupid. In fact, you wear dirty clothes every day that you wear clothes since the moment you put them on they become dirty and every second after that first second your clothes are dirty and have your dead skin on it.
“F*ck these people and I hope these little souls get sent to families who will actuay give them a REAL education, a REAL FUTURE, and clean clothes and warm food in their bellies.”
The amount of food people eat in our society today is excessive and beyond what is needed. Not only is it wasteful but it is harmful to the environment and to the economy.
“Shame these people for thinking they have the right to impose their lifestyle on harmless children.”
You are the one trying to impose your lifestyle on these kids and their parents because you believe that children living like children have lived for thousands of years are somehow being mistreated when that is far from the truth. You are infantilizing children and it’s sickening.
“Kids don’t deserve to grow up like that. Ateast give them a chance in a world where notany kids get a chance.”
You need as much psychological help as this Sheriff .
Who are you to judge what “real” education is? Do you forget how education was previous to schools being opened? Do you forget that homeschooling and unschooling used to be all that was done? I have several friends who were homeschooled as children and they were going to college by the time they were 16 as opposed to children who get a “real” education who don’t go to college till they are 18, if at all. How can you say that thru are being neglected when they have a higher success rate in their education and lives than those getting what you refer to as a “real” education. Just because a family is doing something that isn’t the societal norm any longer does not mean that they aren’t giving their children a “real” education. These children are fed off the land. They are given food that doesn’t contain poisons and fed the way they should be. Food produced today contains all kinds of poisons and unhealthy things. Bring fed off the land is not being neglected. As far as the children’s clothing being dirty goes, what do you think happens when children actually are in the outdoors? Of course they are going to have clothing covered in mud and dirt! How does that point out neglect? Allowing your children to be given the opportunity to actually be outside and learning from the outdoors is something that most parents don’t do. There is such an emphasis on technology in the day and age that children no longer play outside and get dirty and they aren’t given the chance to have a healthy immune system because they are so sterilized. Please pull your head out of your ass and do some research!
says you, judge, jury, and executioner, yes? They look like a happy family to me, to a sick individual like you, well, I can’t even imagine what goes on in your mind. It can’t be good though, of that I am sure.
“Their kids all wear dirty clothing….” I wear clean clothing every day. That said, I would agree with those who recognize a need to change our western lifestyle to be more environmentally friendly.
“And always act hungry.” I find it curious that you see these kids on a regular basis. I was raised on commodities and I was skin and bones. Other kids called me “Skeleton” and “Bones.” All of these children appear to be within their ideal weight range for height.
“Their kids all wear dirty clothing and always act hungry.” and you know this how? who are you to judge? So the kids get dirty and thats neglect and abuse? Do you have children? I hope not cause if so I feel bad for them. What do kids never get dirty in your world? I wouldnt want you as a neighbor Im sure you would be calling on me all the time. When we do yard work, gardening, playing in the rain, going camping, swimming in the lake,or some fun Science and History projects that were messy Im sure your standards would have deeemed it neglect and abuse.
Anyone who thinks the state doesnt take children for no reasons or trumped up reasons, read about the Shoal’s and the Stanley’s.
The Stanley’s got their kids back after two months but they never offered an apology or in any way admitted any doubt.
They want to TAKE their kids because the kids handed their dad a gun? COME ON.
What can we do to help? Who do we need to contact?
First up, Medical kidnap website. They dont just do medical kidnap, dont even know why they are called that. But they will get people who know how to help. YOU NEED HELP now.
These people threatened to shoot and kill a neighbor for not allowing them to get water from their home! Can you hear the officer practically begging to just talk to the kids to make sure they’re in no danger? This has nothing to do with them living off of the land or teaching their kids at home. It has everything to do with making sure those children are not being mistreated and they have all that they need (clean water, food, clothing, ect)
Unless there is imminent physical danger, in which case the police can step right in in any situation, if the kids aren’t being properly taken care of and the family refuses to allow anyone to come see and tells the police to take a hike (they can refuse any examination in their car as well)-which mind you is perfectly within their legal rights, as far as I know-then they are legally bound to obtain A COURT ORDER before coming back. Clearly, even if the husband or wife’s behavior was unwise, these cops and CPS clearly didn’t act in accord with the law and violated the couple’s rights. If the details that have come out so far are accurate, good legal representation should clear this up. Even getting HSLDA involved now is a great idea. Also, if the husband or wife violated the law either towards their neighbor or towards the cops, that is a separate issue and cannot be treated together with child neglect or abuse case. I wouldn’t have threatened my neighbor and the dude may have violated the law in his physical threats. If the neighbor was trespassing, the cops needed to be called. No children should have been taken.
NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO ‘TALK TO YOUR KIDS’ OR INDOCTRINATE THEM OR TWIST THEIR WORDS.
WHY DO YOU THINK LAWYERS TELL YOU NOT TO SAY ANYTHING TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO QUESTION YOU? YOUR INNOCENT WORDS CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU!
I totally agree. I feel bad for these kids.
Actually, according to the police report that has been made public, the neighbor was asked to leave the premisis, and then the father asked the child to get the gun. No actual threat of physical harm was made.
Insinuation is not a crime.
Now I may be wrong-I have only seen what was published.
(not discussing my opinion of the officer. Just stating what is available outside of media hype to see and read for oneself. )
Hi, can you start a fundraiser that is not based with gofundme? youcaring are a better site, they don’t just skim money off the top of the donations, which gofundme does. Hoping and praying that they are able to get their family back together.
This is what Nichole (The Mom) posts on her own FB page : So as long as you don’t beat your child…. to death….. you’re okay
#Godsaid
Maybe you all should consider there’s another side to this story. Joseph (The Dad) told his child to get a gun so Joseph could kill his neighbor for not allowing him to get water from their property! There was nothing said about homeschooling or being off the grid in the audio except from the Mom. The reason the law was there COULD’NT have been because they wanted to make sure the children were safe, right?
SHOW ME A WARRANT WITH PROBABLE CAUSE
THIS IS JUST LIKE WACO AND RUBY RIDGE
GOVERNMENT OVER REACH AND ABUSE OF POWER
THE AGENTS GET FILLED WITH THEMSELVES AND IT CREATES A SELF FULLFILLING EVENT.
THEY BECOME RIGHTOUS THUGS INSTEAD OF REMEMBERING THEY ARE CITIZENS TOO ONLY THEY HAVE BADGES AND POWER AND THE ABILITY TO SAY NO THIS IS ILLEGAL AND I WON’T PARTICIPATE.
Actually - I agree. However….
He did not have probable cause to follow her or stop her when she was off her property. He saw the children and she offered for them to speak to the officer. You can hear them say no.
If he had seen anything that warranted imminent danger he should have acted IMMEDIATELY. So, he did not.
If the probable cause for the stop was immediate removal was approved-he simply should have held them until he had proof.
She counts the police officers with him at the beginning. He had no reason to worry if dad showed up that he could not handle the situation-especially off property. So the fact that he takes the kids without physical proof (easily provided in the digital age at any hour) is a REAL problem. And the fact that she is calm and he arrests her anyway….also problematic.
Lastly, he told the child to get a gun. You are guessing why he said so. (which while it may be the insinuation….one could just as easily assume it was the day they clean the guns, and the kid was the next one up for lessons on how to do it. Which while you might say is crazy-is completely possible.)
I definitely think the law was following up what they should have-but I feel the end of this was definitely unnecessary.
I know this is a support site and we are only hearing one side but goodness my heart breaks for this family. Listening to the mother it is clear she loves her children fiercely, that she is well informed of the things that can happen when CPS and the law gets involved in ones family. I know they must do their jobs and I wish they would understand that this mother wasn’t trying to make it harder on them but wanted to stick to the law by getting a lawyer there to handle things. My family is a very rational one, husband has been in the military for 17 years so it isn’t as if we don’t respect authority, it is just frightening when it seems so clear authority is over stepping. This whole thing is so tragic…. wishing this family the very best.
Forgive me if this has been answered, but where did the audio come from?
I just listened to the audio. She spends over 17 minutes refusing the police to see her kids. All while telling the kids to pack the valuables “Bling box” Then she tells the cops she wont be there if they come back. Now if the cops didn’t intervene and take the kids, and If anything was wrong or anything happened to those kids, everyone would be bitching to no end as to why the cops did NOTHING!. Well done police, doing your job. If police turned up at my house and wanted to check on my kids, Sure come on in. But I have nothing to hide! How many times have we all had reason to bitch at CPS and police for doing nothing when a baby ends up dead!
I agree!
you are an idiot if you let a government agent into your home…..NEVER let a cop or other government agency into your house….they are not your friend.
WHY ARE THE POLICE AND CPS TAKING CHILDREN WITHOUT WARRANT OR CAUSE?
YET WE HEAR CPS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR VISITING HOMES WHERE THERE IS CAUSE STATED IN WARRANT FROM SCHOOLS AND OTHERS WHO REPORT TO THE AUTHORITIES ACTUAL ABUSE AND CPS ALLOWS THE
CHILDREN TO REMAIN IN HARMS WAY, DOES NOTHING TO HELP THE CHILDREN.
CPS IS ALSO GUILTY OF LOSING CHILDREN AND IT HAS BEEN SAID TO THE CHILD SEX RINGS
IS THERE PROBABLE CAUSE WHEN AN UNDERAGE GIRL REPORTS BEING FORCED TO HAVE SEX WITH WEALTHY PEOLE LIKE BILL CLINTON AND ALAN DERSHOWITZ WHO WERE ACCUSED OF HAVING SEX WITH HER ON AN AIRPLANE
NO ONE CAME TO HER AID AND THE STORY IS COVERED UP. YET SHE SAID TO THE WORLD THAT SHE IS CAPTIVE OF A SEX RING AND SO ARE MANY MANY CHILDREN.
GET YOUR PRIOITIES RIGHT
CHILDREN ADOPTED OUT OR FOSTERED OUT TO HOMOSEXUALS. DO YOU THINK THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY OF RISK TO THE CHILDREN WHO HAVE NO VOICE AND FEAR AUTHORITY
huh? are u made of candy?
COME ON IN, POLICE? COME ON IN, CPS? you sound like a PR person for the Gestapo, for the Stasi.
How many times have you read about a baby “ending up dead” anyway, except by tragic accident? WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE ACCIDENTS HAPPEN BUT THAT doesnt mean we give up our privacy rights and our freedoms, our freedoms to raise our children as we see fit.
you DO NOT trade your liberties for security. you encourage the police state.
i cannot believe this mentality.
idiotic.
Amen!
But by law, you aren’t required to let them in. So how is she wrong? Just because you disagree-doesnt mean she is wrong. And the FACT is they are minors-and she BLATANTLY states she will be completely willing as long as an attorney is present.
And she is required to tell them if she won’t be on site. (If she didn’t, she would be “running.” She tells them the family is not staying on the property. She is in no way required to tell them why or where they are staying without a court order needing that info.)
You really cannot fault this woman for knowing her rights. She’s crazy, but she’s right.
Amanda,
“How many times have we all had reason to bitch at CPS and police for doing nothing when a baby ends up dead!”
That is a mentally ill comment. The fact that a child dies does not give you or anyone the right to bitch that the police didn’t do anything or that CPS is to blame because they don’t violate people’s rights as a routine matter. People live and people die and that includes children. Would you bitch if she let her kids go with the sheriff and he drove them to his home and raped both of them before he took them to the sheriff’s station? Would you bitch if as he was driving them to the police station the rear end of his car was struck by a semi and the children were killed instantly because they were where they and their parents would not have had them if they had not been forcefully taken against their wills? Or is their deaths in a situation that just an accident and not the police’s fault for ACTUAL ACTS that resulted in the children’s death? Only seriously sick people blame police or CPS for not doing something to prevent something bad from happening. In fact, the United States Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that the police have NO DUTY to protect us from harm or from crime and that includes children. This is an issue of people’s rights which trump the possibility that someone may die. Unless there is an imminent threat or danger then the police need probable cause and need to give people due process.
“Well done police, doing your job. If police turned up at my house and wanted to check on my kids, Sure come on in. But I have nothing to hide! ”
So, people who do not share your POLITICAL BELIEFS can have their kids seized because you think that they don’t like strangers roaming through their homes at will? Are you seriously that sick. Do you realize that in at least one case a SHERIFF HAD HIS SUCCESSOR KILLED BECAUSE THE SUCCESSOR WAS ON TO HIS CRIMINAL ACTS AS THE ELECTED SHERIFF.
Do you realize that police are not above the law and violate the law too. That police have threatened to kill their spouses, family members and have actually done it. That cops have even killed other cops. She is the mother of these children and she has a right to protect them from everyone including people who are cops. Do you realize that one of the worse serial killers in our COUNTRY was a COP and that he COMMITTED HIS HEINOUS ACTS WHILE ON DUTY?
Why should this mother just let this man who voted for himself along with members of his family, his friends and some other neighbors take her kids from her when he could be a threat to them?
you get it great comments.
here is how you should view police in this country:
http://www.killedbypolice.net
your right when something goes wrong and a child is harmed or dies people do get angry and yes at times blame CPS for not doing their job right. But not every worker is unbiased, many go in with the attitude that the parenst are already guilty before seeing anything. They judge. If they ever show up at your home and you welcome them in because you have nothing to hide I hope it doesnt turn out to be the wrong decision. VERY VERY often they are welcomed into homes where nothing is going on, children not in danger, no abuse or neglect, clean homes and children yet they pick everything apart until they think they have reason to remove or keep an open case. They twist words, innocent words into horrible words,a bad day after a long night with sick kids that have a stomach bug puking all night, no sleep for mom who is also ill. Laundry may be being washed while baskets wait for the washer to free up for another load to wash puked on blankets and guess what your the perfect target. You just became the mom who is incapable of keeping a clean home, with filthy laundry whereever they claim it be. Oh and that 24 hour flue bug just turned into medical neglect because when you took the kids in and the Doc said its viral, ride it out they should be good in 24-48 hours. Just in case you want it because most Doctors are pressured into giving a pill for everything, he writes a script for an antiviral for each ill child, and says its not realy needed, it wont do much realy other than cost you alot if insurance wont cover it but most parents insist so he gives a script for anti viral as standard treatment now.if you have no insurance and go to the Pharmacy to see the cost and find out its over $100 a script! Soyou dont get it. When SRS shows your kids are for the most part over the flue virus. A CPS worker sees an unfilled script and theres more medical neglect and they remove children for it. So you have a filthy home and dont flow Doctors orders. Dont believe this happens? Your SO WRONG! It does, it happened to meand the Doctor that gave me the script went to court for me, and to SRS because he was outraged about what they had done. I was cleared of charges but the damage was done to my children, to my family, to me. I let them into my home, I let them talk to my children. They went from telling me what a great mom I am, what a great family I had, great children. How they could see they were cared for, loved and they had no concerns. They next thing I knew they were back with police and removing them all based on false allegations. I had nothing to hide, I have nothing now. They wont step into my home without police and a warrant ever again. If I were to have to deal with them again they would not have access to my children without an attorney being present. Not every case worker is good. If you dont protect your family o one will and even the “good guy” does not always care about whats best for your family, and many have warped views. Instead of judging and thinking you know it all try educating yourself so you truly know what happens. It happens far more often than people like you in your perfect bubble see or will believe. As long as ignorant people stay in their bubble and dont see whats realy going on these type of horrors will only continue to happen, attacks by our own Government agencies on our families.
Why were they stealing water from a neighbor? :-/ That’s illegal. It’s mentioned in one of the audio’s. There were reports that the father instructed at least one of the kids to retrieve a gun from the house. If that report is factual, then the parents are forcing their kids to commit felonies. CPS will pull automatically if those reports are true.
It’s too early to tell until more information is released. Too early for me to stand behind the family totally yet. Especially if this started over the family committing theft.
Leah, the family has an agreement with the property owners of the water source. The person who intervened was not the owner of the property.
yeah-that’s what I found too.
WHAT FELONY?
I don’t believe the stealing water is a felony. I think its lesser.
I believe this family’s rights in regards to their children, and the removal and arrest, were violated. But it doesn’t seem they were told the complaint-the SPECIFIC reason. If they had been, this whole thing would’ve been legal.
Its gonna be a problem.
Also, the theft is a thing, but reporting a false statement to CPS is too. (And reportedly from number of sites-both conservative and liberal) are saying the report was bogus and simply a retribution.
If a child is able to retrieve a gun from their house which is on 26 acres of land then the person who heard them being told to get their gun was actually the ones who were trespassing on private property. Like it has been noted in several of the recordings. This sounds like self-defense on the part of the father because someone was violating their rights and committing criminal acts. Claiming that they were stealing when there is no evidence of it is simply proof that the police did not have probable cause to arrest the father for any crime. So instead they try to use CPS (I suspect the sheriff’s family called in the tip because they wanted to give their elected family member the right to take a rival family’s children).
Sue them into utter oblivion. This kind of behavior will not stop until the perpetrators are punished severely.
I think she should have complied to begin with if she had nothing to hide. Once the cops were taking her kids without giving her a reason then I believe she has a right to act as she did. I do believe the police were overstepping their bounds. I will keep them in my prayers.
Yeah-but thats your opinion. The ACTUAL LAW is she isn’t required to.
She isn’t required to answer personal questions either. Which is why she states that.
Completely legal-not noncompliant in the eyes of the law.
And that whole “don’t talk to anyone.” Its a real thing. And I have police sheriffs and many, many attorneys in my family. They all say, don’t let the police in without a warrant and don’t talk without an attorney.
Because whether society thinks you’re guilty or not-we have procedure for a reason.
Looks like the sheriff asserted power he was never given by the people to show he has power. I do pray he is humbled. God be with your family though this time of trial.
Just let them speak to the children and if there is nothing going on in most cases they will walk away. In the case of this family take a look at their Facebook photos of the young children holding and shooting rifles without a parent in the photo giving the appearance that the children have access to guns without parental supervision. In Kentucky as well as other states any child under 14 has to have a parent to fire a weapon. Also listen to this audio, she is smart ass trying the patience of the cops. This is never a good thing to do.
I’m sorry, but I have seen this situation before and most of these families live on the edge of lawful living anyway. He even says they are looking at Facebook photos. This family did the stupid thing by posting these Facebook photos. If you are going off the grid then go off the gird, stay off Facebook, especially showing your children firing weapons without an adult present.
The facebook also shows a toddler using a smoking grill. The blog outlines that they all live in 400sft cabin that hey could not keep warm over the winter. How do you even get pregnant when you share one room with your husband and 10 kids.
The officer was polite and rational. She sounded delusional and desperate to pick a fight.
“The officer was polite and rational. She sounded delusional and desperate to pick a fight.”
She was picking a fight? She went to the home of the officer, threatened to take the officer’s kids from him because she did not agree with his way of raising his kids and did not want them to turn out like their loser father and other loser voters who would vote for men like him?
Every last person in this country who is not your kind of person and would never vote for you are all delusional and those like you and this sheriff who voted for himself to be sheriff are the ones who think the right way. Your parents were unfit to raise you to be the kind of person you are and I hope our kids never turn out like your parents child has and I hope that this sheriff’s kids don’t turn out like him and his wife.
She wasn’t picking a fight. He was committing a POLITICAL CRIME against her family and if you listen to the sheriff talking to the father also you hear him flatly say he can’t believe that he would raise his kids in that environment.
Well, we can’t believe this elected sheriff and his wife would raise his kids to be like their reject daddy either.
My original post was made in reply to a person’s post, and that was not my intention. My apologies!
I’m a homeschooling mom and I am sorry, but I do not feel led to offer any financial support.
The officer was doing his job. He simply wanted you to cooperate and allow CPS to speak with the children to determine if the claim made against your family was true. As soon as you heard there had been a complaint made against your family you should have called HSLD or hired an attorney to meet in a public place with your children and CPS. That would have solved the situation.
You simply escalated the matter by implying you would use guns when you stated that you would do whatever you needed to do to protect your children.
Now, IF the accusation is true that your husband told one of the children “to go get the gun” when you had a confrontation with the neighbor is correct, then you are in the wrong. Civil people don’t solve problems of water usage with guns! They use the legal system. Shame on YOU for causing your children to be removed form your family!
Based on your comment, my honest assessment is that you are a very lonely and sad person. How dare you blame the kidnapping of their children on the parents. You need to get caught up on the current Police State you are living in. You are lower than dirt. In fact, it is in insult to dirt to compare you to it.
ALL HEARSAY
So, you believe if someone doesn’t like you and decides to tell the police you are a bad person and they heard this about you and saw that etc. etc. the police have the right along with a government agency the cps to come to your home without warrant and demand you answer questions and take your property and children it is ok with you?
Please make me understand. Show me why my thinking is flawed.
You’re thinking is flawed because they were there because of photos and a threat she made against a woman on Facebook. There are numerous photos of her kids without an adult present of them holding rifles. One photo shows one of the young daughters firing a 22 rifle from the proch of the house and three of her siblings are almost in the line of fire. That is what this about and if you had bothered to listen to the audio file you would have heard the officer mention these photos and the online threat. Also this woman became hysterical and told the cop that she knew he was there to kill her. She is paranoid and will be lucky not to get sent in for a pysch evaluation. Actually look at the evidence that she and her husband were dumb enough to put on Facebook. If you are going off the grid to get away from the government, at least to not post photos of your underage children holding rifles while at the same time making Internet threats. Kind of defeats the purpose of going off the grid.
Just because there were no adults IN THE PHOTO does not mean there were no adults present! Are you really that ignorant? I can take a photo of my child, all by herself, IN THE MIDDLE OF A CROWDED AMUSEMENT PARK! Are their no other people around her just because they aren’t in my pictures? You are seriously lacking in brain cells, my friend. Obviously, at least one other person was present because they were taking the pictures! How do you know that person was not an adult? You are a complete idiot! LOL!
She told the Sheriff that she was in the middle of hiring an attorney and would allow the Sheriff to meet with the kids once she had one. Sooo she tried to do that, and it DIDN’T solve the situation…
Unfortunetely parents say that to get the cops to leave and then parents flee like she was trying to do. Her encounter that day was not the first and if you listen to the cop closely he says she was threatening somebody and she admits she was threatening the person who called CPS on her. She then gets crazy about the cop being there to kill her. She has issues. This has nothing to do with her home schooling and people need to quit turning into something it is not. The cop was there because of her Facebook page which full of photos of her kids holding guns and pointing guns as well as one photo of her underage daughter shooting a 22 rifle with her sibling in dangerous proximity to her. There is also a Facebook exchange with a woman who turned her in who she threatens with physical violence. This was a good call by CPS and the cops.
“Unfortunetely parents say that to get the cops to leave and then parents flee like she was trying to do. Her encounter that day was not the first and if you listen to the cop closely he says she was threatening somebody and she admits she was threatening the person who called CPS on her. She then gets crazy about the cop being there to kill her. She has issues.”
There we have it ladies and gentlemen. Thank like your parents child or we are the ones who have issues and not you and those you vote for. That being said, I do have a question for you and hope you answer truthfully. Are you the sheriff’s wife or child? Because if you are we want you to give your stupid loved one a message from intelligent people which is that he is a reject and so is his wife/child who is posting here. If on the other hand you are just another retarded voter who votes for men like him then please let us clue you in. The fact that he and others who are as messed up as him voted for him does not change the fact that when he cast his vote for himself he was voting for a retard.
“This has nothing to do with her home schooling and people need to quit turning into something it is not. ”
Yes, Master. We will quit turning it into something it isn’t because you say it isn’t. NOT!!!!
“The cop was there because of her Facebook page which full of photos of her kids holding guns and pointing guns as well as one photo of her underage daughter shooting a 22 rifle with her sibling in dangerous proximity to her.”
None of which is a crime. People have the right to raise their children around firearms and teach them how to use them and you subjectively deciding that one of the other children was dangerous close based on a picture is proof of how far off we have gotten in our country. Let’s have a political debate online now about how stupid people like you think the way you do and vote for other stupid people to take the kids of those who don’t raise our kids to be losers like your parents raised you to be. Maybe if the only people who had kids is this unfit sheriff, the unfit people who vote for men like him including his own family and unfit people like you there wouldn’t be any political disagreement in our country and no individuality. Please post the standard operating procedures for parenting that all drones must abide by in raising their kids so that you don’t elect others who have twisted thinking like yours to take their kids from them.
“There is also a Facebook exchange with a woman who turned her in who she threatens with physical violence. This was a good call by CPS and the cops.”
This is what our country has come to?
Those who threaten physical violence against those who commit political violence against them are in the wrong but they call the cops on those who disagree with them and their stupid thinking then they are the law abiding and when the cops show up and take their rivals kids they can gloat about their right to vote for the sheriff.
CPS IS NEVER A ‘GOOD CALL’ because CPS is totally UNcoNSTITutional. Simple as that. it is largely an anonymous snitch program that weird people use to DESTROY others’ lives. it has NO place in american society. it is always ‘done in the name of children’ to justify its lawless trampling on of God-given rights of liberty and the bill of rights.
study cps, what makes it tick. how damn prejudice it is against christian independently minded people.
the gestapo & the east german stasi would be proud.
LET ME TELL YOU THIS - EVERYONE HERE MUST ALWAYS FIGHT FOR EVERYONE ELSE’S LIBERTY HERE BECAUSE SOONER OR LATER IT WILL ALSO AFFECT YOU. IF THEY COME FOR ME, THEY WILL COME FOR YOU. dont be prideful & arrogant about this. follow the u.s. constitution. security does noT trump liberty. much like the phony war on terror giving license to politicians trample all over our rights.
government rules by threat of force, not goodwill. always assume they come with that in mind.
So true, I agree. CPS is truly an evil organizatin that should be stopped. They have “rules, guidelines, laws and procedures” they are supposed to be held to but when they dont nothing is done to them, everyone turns a blind eye and just lets them do whatever they want, say what they want, write in records that follow a person anything they want without proof of accusations. You can be found not guilty of abuse in a criminal court yet they can determine “abuse substantiated” by the workers and it stands, children removed and not given back based on that even though Criminal charges dropped and found innocent! Who gives that kind of power and control to another person over someone else? Why? Its wrong and should never have been allowed and should not continue to be tolerated, Unfortunately there are so many ignorant people who truly are unaware and refuse to see, to believe that follow the Evils in the Government blindly,supporting corrupt people and organizations. As long as so many do it wont change. Just look at the close minded judgemental people here, its sad
That’s really awful stuff. The mother made things far worse for the kids than the police did.
I’m an unschooler with a crackpot neighbour who once reported me to the local social worker. We had her over for tea and had a nice conversation; she told me I was doing a great job, praised my kid to the skies, and said we wouldn’t hear from her or her agency again. My daughter found it an enjoyable afternoon. If, yikes, things had gone differently, I would have stayed calm and reassured my kid things were fine and she’d just go visit Grandma and Grandpa while I sorted out the misunderstanding, etc. The last thing I would have done would have been to pick a fight and start screaming and further traumatise my kid. It sounds like her “rights” are more important to her than the kids’ well-being.
Also like she enjoys picking and choosing when the state can or can’t interfere. Lots of noise about legal rights and attorneys, not so much interest in actually complying with the system when it doesn’t suit. That was an absurdly avoidable arrest, and I feel bad for the police involved. “Just doing my job” is not a hard concept to understand.
I’m irate to find this making the rounds of homeschooling groups. This isn’t a homeschooling issue. At all.
This has nothing to do with homeschooling. I had a doctor once call CPS and report that they were concerned bc my daughter had a black eye. The lady from CPS came over, we talked, she viewed my home, and then she spoke with some of our friends and asked about my parenting. The next week she called and said “we have determined that your family does not need our services”. That was it, I never heard from them again. If you have nothing to hide then why start all the drama. From the audio this was not the first time CPS has been called on her either. I feel bad for these kids.
I called the Breckenridge County Sheriff’s department, who were extremely arrogant. The female Deputy who answered the phone was annoyed and said “they’d have their day in Court.” I proceeded to tell her that we have something in America called Due Process and you don’t go seizing children until you’ve done an amiable job and non-threatening “investigation” and then you only remove the children if there is Probable Cause to file charges against the parents! She was nasty! Burn up the phone lines and browbeat them into submission because it’s a PR nightmare - Sheriff Todd Page - 270-756-2361.
I’ve seen comments here about the mother’s reaction. Goodness, folks, she’s five months pregnant and that means raging hormones and she’s a mom protecting her young! Give her a break.
I also called The Rutherford Institute in Virginia. John Whitehead specializes in these situations of government overreach on Constitutional Rights. He’s handled other cases similar to this. I e-mailed them and asked them to look into seeing if they can help in this case - [email protected].
If the Naugler family are monitoring these comments, I suggest they immediately contact The Rutherford Institute (www.rutherford.org).
We will be praying for the safe return of the children and then I hope two things - find out who was the “anonymous tipper” and then sue the hell out of CPS and the Sheriff’s Department. If they did their job, they would have defused the situation, understood they were dealing with a distraught mother and asked them to meet at an appointed time with an attorney with CPS. You don’t go seizing the children, just because they have a protective mother.
listen to the first audio clip, he tried for like 20 minutes to speak rationally to her. HE didn’t raise his voice or yell at her or insult her. She was not being kind at all and her rage was misplaced.
“I called the Breckenridge County Sheriff’s department, who were extremely arrogant. The female Deputy who answered the phone was annoyed and said “they’d have their day in Court.”
All Hail the Courts. When neighbors with guns come to your home and take your kids by force just be grateful that you will have your day in court. If your kids die in the care of the state before you get them back and you were not there to spend the last day, week or month of their life with them because someone you would never vote for took them from you then so be it. You can consider suing and if that doesn’t work you always have the right to vote. This is what our country has come to.
“I proceeded to tell her that we have something in America called Due Process and you don’t go seizing children until you’ve done an amiable job and non-threatening “investigation” and then you only remove the children if there is Probable Cause to file charges against the parents! She was nasty!”
What do you expect from a friend of a nasty man who pays her to be his deputy after other nasty people voted for him? Maybe her and Todd went to high school together before he appointed her to be his rude deputy who answers the phone for him.
“I’ve seen comments here about the mother’s reaction. Goodness, folks, she’s five months pregnant and that means raging hormones and she’s a mom protecting her young! Give her a break.”
Why should she want to protect her kids from a man who is clearly a thug?
“You don’t go seizing the children, just because they have a protective mother.”
I don’t know too many people who would willingly let their kids be taken from them unless they have no maternal instincts. For all she knows this Sheriff is a pervert who hires other pedophiles who molest kids that he takes from their parents before he turns them over to CPS after making a threat to them that he will use his office to kill them and their family if they tell that he and his deputies raped them.
The fact that he had no probable cause to take her kids should give any mother concern that his intent was criminal and not benign.
At first I was all about “how horrible the police was here” but after hearing the audio files I agree with ‘Homeschooling mom here’. If a policeman came to see my children they would be asking him if he wanted to play catch with them. Though police can sometimes overstep, he was doing his job and investigating a potential abuse call.
The officer was very respectful, verbally forceful at times when needed but respectful while being totally yelled at and abused by the wife.
I will keep the family in my prayers but believe this situation would not have happened if the wife controlled her anger. “Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.” Romans 13:3 NLT
The policeman even after all of that was still willing to help the father find his wife’s phone. I commend the officer and wish he did not have to do what happened, but as a person who works with youth, the mother’s attitude caused this.
u are naive to the ways of the new police state in america. when the wicked are in power, they honor the wicked, not the just. they oppress the innocent.
this woman has a deep God-given right to protect her children, not to mention she is carrying a baby in her womb.
CPS is demonic. DEMONIC. it is anti-traditional family, and is mostly staffed by government jackasses who try to steal kids as if they are handing out parking tickets. it is control, it is revenue, and it is revenge against Godly people as well.
We are NOT to submit to ungodly authority.
People who blame this woman for anything here are nuts.
I am not naive and this woman is a typical white trash just like most home schoolers. There is no such thing as “Ungodly authority” all authority in government is vested with God. She is a Godly woman huh? You stupid white trash she cusses the cop out like typical high school drop out. We are to obey all Earthly authority since it is God himself who puts that Earthly authority in charge over us.
the Bible doesn’t say that.
you need to read Romans 13 by Warren
zabel you are WRONG. WRONG. you are a robot. you are deceived. your heart is revealed in your prejudice and arrogance as you attack this woman who is 5 months pregnant about who knows she is about to HAVE HER 10 CHILDREN STOLEN AWAY FROM HER. AND YOU VERBALLY ATTACK HER for being emotional and defensive, etc? you are a fool.
and yes, GOD Himself allows all authorities to exist, but MANY are ungodly and wrong and NOT to be obeyed. I am not talking about speed limits here and murder and obvious things, but when you have the sick, twisted, demonic legacy in this country of what child protective services is doing to families everywhere, YOU MUST NOT SUBMIT TO THEIR FILTH. did peter and John submit to the authorities in JERSUSALEM for crying out loud, the very seat of God’s authority in the Old Testament? they said they would to obey GOD rather than man.
people who are little police-state worshiping idiots because they quote Romans 13 are deceived, short-sighted and foolish.
Jesus said, sell your tunic and buy a sword. Jesus did not kiss the boots of His political oppressors, he largely ignored them.
wake up, people. Child protective services MUST be abolished. anytime someone can ANONYMOUSLY destroy another party in this country, it is dead wrong. UnConstitutional, Immoral, UnBiblical, just evil.
Keep up the good fight guys! This is a disgusting display of obey or else. None of you really should have spoke to any of them at all. The fifth amendment protects silence. The sherrif on the recordings was fishing like crazy for information. That’s what they are taught to do. The use trickory to expose yourself to any wrong doing. On another note, I wish you all would represent yourselves in court. An attorney belonging to a bar association is nothing but one of their good ol boys. Get up stand up! Fight for your right! Peace be with you.
we desperately need a NATIONAL LAW that ALL PEOPLE WHO CALL IN TO CPS agencies in all 50 states have to be willing to publish their name in a publicly-available registry. THESE ABUSES WOULD STOP ALMOST OVERNITE.
THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THAT WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS - AND TO FACE OUR ACCUSERS. this kind of secret gestapo/stasi snitch crap is from the bowels of hell and is abused non-stop.
THIS IS NOT how a free, Constitutional Republic works.
sometimes, people need to get a dose of their own medicine…
“I will not be a whore of the state”
Politeness goes a long way
It doesn’t matter if the mom was respectful or not.
It doesn’t matter if the sheriff was polite or rude.
It doesn’t matter if there are pics on FB showing some of the children holding guns.
It doesn’t matter if there were problems over water use.
ETC!!
THE SHERIFF DID NOT HAVE A WARRANT!!
This was an ILLEGAL KIDNAPPING on the part of this sheriff!!!
CPS can’t wait to stab those kids with toxic chemical vaccines….sterilize them…. traumatize them…. nab their DNA….. snoop inside and out of these children’s minds and bodies…. like lab mice!
I absolutely agree that no-one should be forced to have their kids vaccinated, there are far too many arguments against it to say it is safe. But come on, telling your kid to go and get a gun over some water!? That can’t be acceptable behaviour. Anyway it is good of this site trying to support the family to put up a few negative comments such as mine and I hope the family get their kids back and get over this hiccup with the law and everybody comes out a bit wiser including me.
This better be a wake up call for parents to get their children OFF entirely from Fakebook. Other low spiritual vibrational miscreants turn you in!!
Be warned we are anonymous, we are legion, we do not forget, we do not forgive, to the state of Kentucky and the Breckinridge County,sheriffs department, expect us! Unless these children are given back to the family we will start releasing very sensitive info we have in place starting at the top. We do not bluff! return the children or you WILL expect us!
whatever you can do to expose this criminal FILTH at CPS or the stupid deputy who manhandled this pregnant woman on the hood of a sheriff’s car, DO IT. have no mercy on this filth. Our country NEEDS to be taken back.
ABOLISH THIS TRASH CPS and the like in this country.
THIS IS NOT NAZI GERMANY OR STALINIST RUSSIA OR MAO’s CHINA.
NO MORE OF THIS.
This is fucking horrific. Disgusting. Alarming. Disgraceful.
There are any number of ways an anonymous complaint could have been appropriately investigated without resorting to this sort of tyranny. Disgusting.
Regarding the actions of the sheriff: It may be a shock for most of you who have posted their outrage at the kidnapping of the children by officials of The State.
Here is the present reality in Amerika: You have no rights. You have owners. They own you, me, all of us. We are property.
Understand that these actions are possible only in a police state. Democracy-the will of the People-is now subordinate to the will of The State.
This lady is obviously mentally ill and brought all of this on herself. Although there are many incidents of courts and CPS morons taking children under unlawful means, this is clealy not one of those incidents. It seems there is evidence of a psychosis present that probably originated from her husband and reinforced by some sects of social media that are hyperparanoid of government.
It is also clear to me that the Sheriff involved in the incident acted professional and courteous and showed above average tolerance to a distraught and hysterical woman. In many ways the lady seemed to be staging the entire incident and acutally wanted her children to be taken under force to gain futher acceptance in social media sects that would be sympathetic to her cause.
Lastly, it is not a good thing to raise children in a paranoid environment. The latter can lead to mass hysteria infecting the entire family, coupled with alcohol and drug abuse of the adult children would lead to extremely violent individuals on the scale of domestic terrorists and serial killers of authority figures.
Lastly, I am acutely aware of our loss of rights and the many injust government laws that have been enacted over since 911. I am also aware of many of the main issues that extremist labeled groups have against the government. I belive that most of these concerns are valid and that our rights as U.S. citizens have been severely weakened post 911. However, unfortunately for these anti-government folks this incident will do nothing for furhter their cause but will in fact hurt them by allowing mass media to use this incident as a validation of the extermists groups as paranoid, fanatica kooks.
First off the cop tells her thing she posted on Facebook then he says he doesn’t have Facebook or go on Facebook !!! Lie!!!!!!!! Then he tells her to bring her kids down so he can see them and they come down she complied with that request!!! Then he tells her she’s free to go and then pulls her over and takes her boys for no damn reason what so ever!!! She was just standing up for her rights and the rights of her kids!!! In all honestly the constitution is a joke because we have law officials who do not comply with it and when you try to stand up for your rights you are reprimanded!!!! Wrong wrong wrong!!!!
I listened to all recordings. As an american citizen, I am extremely angry that the police abused their power and did not abide by her constitutional rights, the police are the ones who broke the law. They never showed her the court order, nor did they tell her the reason they were taking the children. And then they arrested her? For verbally citing her rights to them?!!!! This is beyond maddening and these cops need to be fired, and the family needs to sue the police department. I am so tired of reading about police in all cities across the US, breaking the laws, and having police brutality against citizens.
Clearly no parents are safe from having their children taken without cause. This is extremely scary, and I feel like the police are the nazi’s - the BAD guys.
It is scary, terrifying. By educating yourself and your family you can better protect yourselves but as you heard here it does not always help. Its not just the Police, its also CPS/SRS/whatever hey are in your state, and it does feel like Nazi’s, and its wrong.
I think a lot of people on here are forgetting that the CPA was not called in because of child abuse or anything worse BUT because the father had asked one of his kids to get a gun which never materialized. This is all about the City of Breckenridge County taking on a family that lives unconventional lives and you can so clearly hear it on the tape the attitude of the 21+ years in the job sheriff that they get their way REGARDLESS of the law. It’s very sad that people can’t just live their lives in piece with out other always passing judgment. From the pictures and the tapes it sure looks to me that the kids look fine and healthy but clearly they have neighbors that should be shamed of them selves for causing the breakup JUST because they don’t approve. Bring in the layers and start suing the sheriffs. They need a wakeup call on what laws DO ACTUALLY MEAN !! I’ll be donating to the family as they need help not judgment.
What can or should a society do when the police becomes the criminal?
I’m absolutely freaking out that even one person replying here would say that she should have just complied without a warrant! Warrants are to protect us from the police doing whatever they want….why would anyone comply with “law enforcement” when they aren’t following the laws??? Ignorant people like you are what’s wrong with this country! Go Away!!!
http://www.infowars.com/police-seize-10-children-from-off-grid-homeschool-family/ You got a lot of people fighting for you over at infowars.com here is what one person said out of the 4,653 comments so far: Wayne > luvcats13 • 2 hours ago, So, like so many others, you believe that off-the-grid means opting out of society or trying to deny the times. If you understood the culture, you wouldn’t see it that way.
My father was an ex-marine and retired cop who worked for GM and made about $80,000 a year which wasn’t bad back then. My grandfather had worked his 100 acre spread his entire life. They had their own gas pumps, professional mechanics garages, their own pole-cat oil well, they did their own welding, equipment repair, and built their own houses. They all had skills from college and the military.
Our neighbor was a typical red-neck. You’d see him in his flannel shirt, jeans, and John-Deer cap on his John-Deer tractor. Before calling him a hick, you should know that he was a retired engineer whom had graduated at the top of his class and had a solid career before retiring.
I just bought some land myself. It is off grid. I generate my own electricity and am digging a well for running water. I will be starting with an incinerator toilet before moving on to putting in a better waste management system. I am considering a number of options from using earth bags and cement sprayers to underground bunkers for my shelter.
This is all American tradition. It is especially Kentucky tradition. The fascists who took over our country hate it. The police state mentality is disease spreading fast. It is now going to go head to head with whatever true American strength is left.
- Shawna Sterling > Wayne • an hour ago
check out natureshead.net I researched and got this one the engineering for it is amazing, were off the grid and we have been using this with a solar air vent with no problems, no water needed, I have lived in million dollar homes with family before I moved to KY, I now have land and a small cabin, off the grid, and if you offered me a million dollar home to leave my little cabin, I would say, hell no! God Bless!
I live in New Zealand an find this absolutely unbelievable. Here there would be a commission of enquiry if this happened and a policeman behaved in this way (audio 1). She is stating a right to have a lawyer present when her children are interviewed. It seems to me that too few Americans realise that your warmongering government and abusive police are becoming more frowned on, even hated around the world. Americans have to all stand up to corporate controlled government and police that are becoming too powerful, even militarised. We also don’t want your secret Trans Pacific Partnership so that your corporates can sue our government and incite war with China in our area. This case is a good example of the slippery slope that is destroying what your Constitution was written for. I hope with all my heart you win this fight.
I’d be willing to donate a weekend of general carpentry to help with building a house for their family. It could happen fairly quickly if enough folks were willing to volunteer.
Thank you so very much for this off. I will make sure the family is aware of your very generous offer. Their focus, in the short run, will be on doing all that is possible in the courts to get their family back together. Hopefully, in the not too distant future they will resume work on their homestead projects.
Keep in mind that the ‘Best Interests of the child’ were touted by Hitler.
Any individual with an ounce of common sense can investigate the hundreds of thousands of children killed while in state ‘care.’ Please check this out prior to making ignorant comments.
The police officer refuses to tell her the grounds for taking her kids OMG! He should work for the dog pound because that’s how he treats humans- LIKE DOGS.
These kind of situations will cause another civil war. Geesh!
Doesn’t anybody get it here? We are under siege! There is no law anymore. Constitutional Law has been replaced by both Sharia Law and Lawlessness of the Lawless One of 2 Thess. 2…more commonly known as the Antichrist. Get a load at Obama and what he has done to this country and the mindset of the entire world even. The jig is up folks. It’s all over. Get on your knees and do the kneemail cuz Jesus is coming in YOUR LIFE TIME WHETHER YOU ARE READY FOR HIM OR NOT! This is all prpphecy coming to reality before your very eyes.
I’m not understanding why she wasn’t allowed to have a lawyer present when the children were to be spoken to. It seems that she did agree to have them spoken to which a lawyer present. Why did they did present any paperwork before taking the children?
correction -why did they NOT present any paperwork before taking the children?
First, I am only trying to see both sides. I have no interest vested in this. I keep seeing that CPS asked for a well check but were denied and then the sheriff came. Then I see some saying no to that. I will say that at times the CPS acts too hastily in this country but I don’t know enough to say on this situation. I am not from the area nor am I employed by any of those involved.
Why was the oldest son speaking against them and I thought I heard him say he was taken away at age 4. So I gather there is bad blood there but where has he been all this time?
I do believe in the right to home school and to raise your children as long as they are cared for. I am not sure I understand range schooling though.
So, does anyone have information on the above..CPS asking for well check and then the sheriff coming or not so?
And on the oldest son.
I can’t support either way when I do not have enough information.
How did the thinking “if I have nothing to hide I should just give up my rights” come to be?? That doesn’t seem like a logical argument. BECAUSE you haven’t done anything wrong, you DESERVE to have your rights honored - whether that is the right to privacy, right to an attorney, right to remain silent, right to record public figures in public areas, etc. You are allowed to and SHOULD exercise and stand up for all of your rights in ALL circumstances, not just when people assume you are guilty before proving you innocent (which really should be the other way around). It’s a shame that people give away their liberties so freely, when wars were fought so that we could enjoy them and stand up for ourselves.