- When will you be getting your children back? Do you know where they are? Any idea how soon you’ll be able to go to court? Is it open for you to bring others?
“Monday (5/11/15). We just know 4 homes in 4 different counties. Private hearing, but if anyone wants to peacefully assemble to show support we would be appreciative. 9 am. Closed hearing, in Breckinridge County court.”
- Do you attend a church or homeschool support group? Are the older children able to socialize?
“We have friends of various backgrounds. My children socialize with everyone who crosses their paths. Anyone who has met them personally can attest to that.”
- Have your children ever been enrolled in the public school system? Did you attend public school? Or your husband? Did you graduate high school? Go to college?
“No. We both have high school diplomas. Joe has an Associate’s degree.”
- Are you getting any support from the homeschooling community?
“Yes. Local homeschoolers and the HSLDA.”
- Do you get and allow your children proper medical care?
“We are naturopaths but we would seek professional medical care if it was needed.”
- Do you live in a tent?
“We live in a cabin. It has walls, floor, a metal roof even. The tarps are to cover the walls that do not have siding. There is also a tarp that covers the outdoor area so we can have shade. The cabin is open. It can be closed in bad weather. We have a great balance of seasons. It doesn’t stay cold for long. We have a wood stove. We don’t use it in the spring/summer, but you can see the chimney for it in the photos. They told me it was acceptable. We may choose to add a fence for the trash and recycle bins.
We are intentional in what we do. We built this cabin to get us through next fall as we planned to build a larger cabin on the property. We have already planned a larger cabin to build this summer.“
- Is there water on your property? Do you plan on adding a well?
“We have a pond and we haul in potable water. It’s actually common here as a lot of wells have high sulphur content. We are building a water collection system. We have a composting toilet.”
- How do you acquire or pay for food, water, medical care, etc? And where do you all sleep? Do you go out into the community with the kids?
“I am a professional pet groomer. I work full time. We have a loft bed. We do go out into the community.”
- What was the reason they stated for this action? All I have heard is because you were homeschooling.
“I posted the accusations yesterday. It’s a photo post.”
- Are you and your family dependent on any government assistance?
“No.”
- What happened with Joe, the water, the neighbor, and the gun? Did your husband really threaten to shoot your neighbor? Was there a confrontation over water?
“In short, he stopped to get water (we use several sources to get water) and lady 1 said she had to go to work. Then asked why Joe deleted her as a facebook friend. She got upset as to why and then lady 2 came running out and Joe went to leave. They had words. He never said he was going to shoot anyone. Lady 2 made both calls. Nothing was stolen. We barter/pay for things.”
- Has your husband been arrested in the past?
“His arrest record is public. It was all non violent crimes such as no registration. We have been honest.”
- Did the police give you warnings they were going to take your children?
“Just the ones on the recording.”
- In the audio of your husband talking with the sheriff, the sheriff states that you had been asked to meet and talk with people before the arrest and did not comply. Is that correct? Who was this you were to contact/talk with? Do you think this all could have been avoided if you had spoken with them first?
“We just asked they wait for us to have a lawyer present.”
- How do you plan on spending the go fund me money?
“All I have considered so far is the costs associated with getting my children back. The attorney funds were provided by someone else. We have other costs to take care of.”
- Do you live your lifestyle because you believe it is right or because you were unable to support your family fully?
“This is a choice. Intentional. And the children have been involved in these decisions. In short. We just wanted a simpler life. It’s not for everyone but we love it.”
- How are you “off the grid” yet you have electricity and a facebook account?
“Off grid means being self-sufficient without reliance on public utilities. It does not mean living without electricity. We have a generator and we are building a solar bank as well.”
- Is it true that you do not have birth certificates or social security cards for the kids? If so, did this play any part in them being taken? Is CPS giving you any trouble about not having them?
“Yes. Some children do, some do not. It’s not legally required and has not been an issue other than a request by CPS, not a demand.”
- Does your husband work, or just keep up the homestead?
“Keeping up with 10 kids and a homestead is work. He also does side jobs with the boys for the homestead and teaches the children. They do things like martial arts (krav Magaw/sambo). They built the cabin. He even changes diapers.”
- Why choose to not build a better cabin for your family when you are choosing to build out a pet salon from scratch with lights, water, nice tubs with air and heat as well?
“We live a simpler life than my clients do. The salon is for them. We already had plans for a bigger cabin, but still a simple style. But the salon is what will pay for the cabin. So first things first.”
- People like the Nauglers want other’s attention…why else the blogs and Facebook pages?
“We actually blog to teach. That’s the goal of the homestead. To learn and teach others how to be self sustaining. I have blogged for years. Mainly because it was easier to share info with family and friends who live all over the place.“
Godspeed on your hearing.
I am an attorney who has gone through a similar child protective services nightmare. I recommend that you sue all relevant authorities in federal court asap, as this sometimes convinces the state authorities to back off. Also, in federal court you may get documents and other discovery that you may not obtain in state court. If you want to talk, let me know.
Good luck.
I think you are doing something wonderful for your family. Too many people live like cattle heading for slaughter . Your family should not be broken up because you live differently than other families. Teaching real values and hard wotk to younger generations is a dying lesson in our day and age. I pray for your family . God bless you all !
Got your back from Washington!
The web address above is a site I created when my daughter was forceably removed from our care and the inequities in the CPS judicial system. You are quite welcome to visit there and read my story. If you like what you see, you are quite welcome to join and keep your discussion re your children there among people sympathetic. At the moment it is public but I can change the setting to closed, so that only members can see posts.
My heart goes out to you in this horrific time for you.
I found your Facebook page after seeing the News Article. I live in Australia and my heart {Mama Heart} is breaking for you all….
we live a Simple Lifestyle {in a Motorhome/and or our Camper van} and that is our choice.
We also homeschool our boys - wished we had homeschooled our older two sons instead of sending them to a private Highschool.
In Australia we have “Docs” but the Police can’t step in and take children without investigations. I am so very sorry that this has happened to your gorgeous family- I am hoping that they are safe and can be returned to their parents as soon as possible. You are so brave and are in my hearts/thoughts. Sending you lots of love xxx
Great job Nicole. Facts of evidence!
Prayers for you and the kids. Keep up the good work. You might have to move to another country eventually.
I stand behind you here in Ohio. Don’t let them get you down. I plan to do the same thing. Gov has way to much say so in stuff. And people are way way to nosey!!
Keep shining the light of truth!
Just reading this as an article comes on the news here in UK. Children getting stressed by. SATs this week
Thankfully your children don’t have that.
I can see lots of benefits to living the way you have chosen to. The only think I struggle with is the lack of a 4 walled and windowed home.
Good luck.
Excellent Nicole. All set..
Excellent job of answering questions. Will be praying that you get your children back today. Good luck. You have a beautiful family.
What a Shame you have to deal with the Assholes who dont appreciate the fact that YOUR Business is NON OF THEIRS..
I’m very sorry something like this has happened to you, in the country that supposedly has the most amount of freedoms in the world.
The afficavid from CPS has many untruths as far as I can tell. You asked for an attorney which is within your rights and they got mad and decidedto act unjustly. I hope this gets resolved quickly but I bet the wheels will turn very slow on purpose here in Breckinridge County as these better than thou personalities all work together against you. I did notice that CPS had been on your property that is posted ….and no one was there?????
I am so heart sick over what the government is putting your family through. The real problem is - if your lifestyle proves to be healthy for the mind, body and spirit it may likely be duplicated. The last thing the government and multinationals want is to lose customers or low slave wage workers. It happened to the country of Cuba when Fidel refused to dance with the mob.
I love this country but that doesn’t mean there is not room for correction. What they are doing to your children as well as to you as parents is abuse. They are alienating a family from each other at a time when love and nurturing is most important.
Too bad your ladies #1 and #2 resist change. It is always out of ignorance for the rights of others that people get railroaded by the system.
I am looking into a generator to get off the grid. I do not want to support the system that breeds such abuse and contempt for free choice.
It was not clear to me that you had a “go fund me” set up. I suggest you make that more accessible. I only read about it in this post.
I will sign any petition to support you.
Sincerely,
Janice Oxford
[email protected]
Our forefathers had a saying, the wind and the rain may enter the poorest Citizen’s home but the King of England may not enter. Obama may not enter, no one may enter without the legal right. We in Kentucky feel it is important to teach our children the same survival skills that our forefathers used to homestead and settle Kentucky. The fact that there is anyone who would try and take children away from their family because the family is teaching them their children the same survival skills that kept our Kentucky early settlers alive and free from tyranny, is horribly abusive and is so wrong seeing that these same individuals have freedom today because of the very skills this family is teaching to their children. - Shawna Sterling
That was said so perfectly
AMEN
Nice FAG page. You certainly are more civil than the strong arm state is. hang on and keep staying calm, you will prevail.
You want the right to a lawyer before speaking what do you think this is a country with a constitution and a bill of rights?
I admire you and all your excellent living: Resolve. Vision. Intelligence. True love.
Prayed for you and yours. God will use your story.
Trust and rest.
We live in a World of great deception and individual personal gain for ones own selfish lusts, however this story appears to be genuine and truthful , the good Lord will be with You and your friends to overcome this pure evil that has taken place! All who have read and know of this story need to become involved any way they can. I am from North Carolina and have donated my time and money as best I can to assist this family. God Bless You all who have done the same.
My prayers r with u. It upsets me to think we cannot bring our children up the way we choose from homestedding to home schooling. Your children r loved they are fed they are healthy. If only we could parent in this day and age as we wish. One persons opinion is exactly that an opinion. We should as Americans have the right to make choices how to parent but there is always someone out there mankind decisions for parents an choose what is right or wrong. I hope you get your children back and the state is forced to leave you alone because if thier mistake. This whole situation makes me so angry. My prayer r with you bith
We had our 5 kids taken from us by CPS in TN for similar reasons. CPS would not let my dad, a police officer, take the kids to his home to live. Which we learned later that CPS is suppose to look for family members the kids can stay with before they put them in with a foster home. They broke that rule right off the bat. We were living off the grid at the time and home schooled at well. It took us 3 yrs and going through 5 lawyers before we got our kids back but the psychological damage was already done. The state gave them all their vaccines (we don’t believe in vaccines) and put them in public school all but our mental challenged daughter. She went to middle of the state to a boarding school. The kids didn’t have visitation with us or each other, which they are suppose to have visits with each other if they are not placed together. I am praying that you can get your family back together quickly before too much damage is done. I have learned in dealing with the state in this situation do not trust what they say, get everything in writing, and they will break the law to get their way.
The government steps in and takes your civil rights. ..please please .
Get a good attorney ..
Isn’t it about time we take our country back from these wanna-be nazi creeps?
I am so sorry this happened to you. We homeschooled back in the early 80s when it was not actually legal and lived under the radar as much as possible. Sometimes it is important just to do what is right. You and your family are in our prayers.
CPS is nothing but an agency of kidnappers. All of us should recognize that and stand firm against these criminals.
I have another friend whose family is likewise suffering from such tyranny. In this case, a disgruntled employee sicced CPS on them. They had a house-a very nice one, in fact-that they have now lost in paying attorney’s fees trying to ransom their children.
Thank you for your commitment to freedom, Nicole and family. I am praying for you.
when is the site going to be posted so we can contribute financially to the family to help with atty. fees?
Charles, thank you for the question. You can go to the donations page to contribute. Thank you for supporting the Nauglers.
If the kids are not being physically abused and are loved an happy the state should butt out ! Taking ten siblings and separating them and putting them through the he’ll of our social services is horrid . If people choose to live this way it should be their choice. If they were a rich family and took their kids out like this for a freaking. Reality show they would be praised .
We live 100% off grid in the Rockies in Colorado. After 4 years of living without running water in our cabin, we dug a well. We have solar, wind and rarely use a generator. Our house is heated in the winter only by one woodburning stove. Our house is straw bale construction and looks like a normal southwest style house.
This is basically how my great grandfather lived sans modern solar and wind power.
Those of us who CHOOSE to live this way, love it. I am also a paralegal and a very successful business owner. We are not mentally ill. Crazies. Weirdos.
We simply choose to live without the “noise and distractions” that gridders typically deal with.
Hang in there and fight the good fight
“Gridders”! Love it hahaaaaa!!!
I had my daughter unlawfully taken away, I prayed sobbing from the heart of my soul asking God to bring her back and close this case up, He did bring her back, I took the officers to court ,had a jury trial, and won. Screw CPS, I will say a prayer in your behalf. God Bless you.
I sincerely, believe, this family should be helped. They are trying to do what is best for them. I think volunteers, should dig them a well, put a septic tank in, build them a house, that fits their demands, and get those children back to them. We are giving immigrants all of their needs, why not our own. Seems like they haven’t asked or expected anything from anyone. Where do you find that today. Get their children back.
Please help these people.
You are being far too polite by not giving the names of the people who made these false allegations against you and had the government kidnap your children. I think you would do well to publish their full information.
Every family that has a heart should come forward. We all know kids have rights and those rights should be upheld, but what about human rights, aren’t parents human, don’t they have any rights. The family should not be broken and scattered all of a sudden and whim of someone outside of this family who thinks how they should live and act and become part of the state machinery and live in a certain way and all other ways are forbidden. Wasn’t Bill of Rights made to protect rights of people, what about constitutional rights of this family, isn’t CPS going against the very basic constitutional rights of this family to be able to live peacefully. Their lifestyle is not threatening anyone.
First of all I am 60 years old, amother of two and a grandma. Would i want my grandbabbies to live off the grid? Im not sure. But, you have food, heat, water, and a toilet. The children look in good health and most of all they look happy. You don’t live like everyone else or the way they think you should be living. I say if you are happy, your children are happy that is all that matters. I wish you all the happiness in the world and I prey you get your family back. As a mother I know your heart is breaking. Stay strong and know that there are people out here that support you.
God Bless
Debbie from Florida
I think chfs and the court’s need to return these children to their family and stay out of their business and if they want to home school their children they have every right to thousands of kids here in Ohio are home schooled why can’t people keep their noses on their own faces and leave people alone.
This doesn’t relate to the case but I just read your account of Alex’ story on the old blog, and wondered: How does being members of the LDS church square with conceiving several children outside of marriage (certainly outside of temple-sealed marriage)? Not trying to be mean- genuinely confused. I’m not Mormon so I don’t know how these things work, so U could be totally misinformed, but I had been told that extramarital sex was a serious sin by LDS reckoning? Are you all still members of the LDS faith?
Praying you get your children back and this sets a precent for all US families to have their rights upheld!
oops — should say *I* (not U) could be misinformed
your right to due process was violated, you are not required to answer any of their questions, and they also violated the 5th amendment as well. they have no jurisdiction. you are not required to enroll your children in public school either, and was this affidavit signed under penalty of perjury? did this go before a judge in a court of competent jurisdiction?
all of these violations on their part are serious and make their case bogus and fraudulent. any law which is repugnant to the constitution is null and void and without effect and anyone who passes or enforces such a law has committed treason and is subject to criminal charges.
i could go on and on about these violations and i am so sorry this has happened to you. we must all stand together and see to it we are able to be free to exercise our unalienable god given rights which are guaranteed by the constitution. the government has again violated and overstretched the limited authority delegated to them by the constitution.
for anyone who wants to learn how to hold our public servants accountable legally and lawfully and return our republic back to the honorable country america was destined to become, please go to citizens of the american constitution. net
We lived off the grid (no power except generator) with no running water and grew and raised most of our food. I recommend everyone on earth do this for at least one year and the world would be a less wasteful screwed up place. I commend this family for the lifestyle they chose. Leave them the f— alone!!!
I have been thur it to in Illinious , we went a yr trying to get our twin infants back. It broke up my marrage and tore us apart in every way. What Dessa said is true, they lie , they blackmail, if you give them proof they loose it or distroy it.get it in writing and get a copy machine and copy or take pictures of everything they say and require you to do. keep good records and if you can get ppl that know you well and your children well ask them to write letters to your lawyer as witnesses to the childrens care , health , ect, and make copies of the letters. Best of luck to you and your family , what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger .
If Amish people are allowed to live like this without interference, then why can’t anyone else. Just wrong. Why should these kids be taken away when u have so many who are truly being abused get swept under the rug? Priorities…..
The news I read was from a local station and may not be accurate. People are human and mess up but I’m wondering how you have a 3 month old daughter and are expecting to give birth in October? Or has my local news reported wrong ages/dates?
Thank you! I was puzzled by that one as well.
Good luck to you folks. I truly hope that everything works out well for you and your family. Government can not even take care of their own business much less delve into the lives of it’s citizens. Pulling your children and splitting them up is likely to do far more damage to them then living without what everyone else thinks should be standards of living. I feel for you and your children. Again, good luck. I hope that you prevail in very short order and that the law gets off your back and lets you get back to raising your family.
Me and my family had lived in tents 4 some time as I was growing up. Went to school to 11th grade and deed not know how to read or right I had to teach myself at 20 and even now. Im now 51 and happy. Hho knows right or wrong .be happy bo your best there’s always those who have long noses and make trouble 4 the free. Hope your family the best.
I’m lifting you in prayer. I home schooled when we lived in Illinois and Kentucky. We have 8 children. We have been through this as well. Stay strong and be vigilant.
We are moving to Florida this year. The weather is more favorable. My home school is recognized (since 1985). This year I have 1 Senior and 2 kindergarteners. (How’s that for an age range.)
Again, I will hold you and your family in prayer and continue to follow as I can.
Praying YAHWEH brings your family back together.
Father, heal this family and guard these children while they are apart. All praise to YAHWEH, in the good times and more so in the difficult. In Yahshuas name, Amein
You are an inspiration, stay strong. All love and thoughts for your family.
It seems to me that this is an attempt to use this family as an example and to dissuade other families from living a life different than the the controlling government suggests! Where is Americans’ freedom in this!?! More and more people are seeing the controlling, God lacking ways of our government, therefore choosing to change their way of living. That does not mean they are unfit to raise their children. That family looks very healthy and as though they do not lack any necessities. I have driven by government funded housing projects where the children in the yards look sickly and very neglected but the government continues to leave them instead of putting them in a better environment! Want to know why? Because they make money on those poverty ridden children. My heart breaks for these children and their parents. I feel like this is a form of harassment from the government for a family choosing to live as God intended us all to live! CPS needs to read their bible and see that it is not this family but them that are of sin. Money IS the root of all evil. That is what this all boils down to. My prayers are with you everyone. I hope and pray for God to intervene in the situation.
BRAVO !! You are doing great ! Prayers your family is back together again soon… Keep your chins up…
My prayers are with this family. Such honest hardworking people trying to raise their family in a real life environment. I love y’all blog & will continue to follow. We homeschool & teach real life skills also :))
I commend these people for living they way THEY desire and wouldnt it be nice if Govt organizations stay the heck out of our lives!! or the Nosey body who makes trouble for others when they are hiding something worse.. but in the mean time.. As I read through the postings.. it is nice to see the support the Nauglers are receiving.. but Some People need to check them selves again. before they post.. the prying or needling of issues that dont matter and that are non of your business.. Keep to your selves..
America The Beautiful…
I admire your courage and determination. I wanted to raise my family in a similar way in Alaska but my wife was very reluctant. So that would have turned into a nightmare. So I made it possible to spend a lot of time as a family camping in remote places and enjoying the lifestyle for anywhere from a long weekend to multiple months at a time. When we get together as a family and reminisce it is those times that everyone remembers the most and says were the happiest.
It’s really very simple if Nicole and Alex want to eventually be reunited with their children and they both understand this fully. As much as they may want to pontificate and digress over the degree of duress and risks posed by the habitat that was currently on offer to their children, as the failure to register the childrens schooling, births, social security etc., as by the current legal standards existing for the state and country, they are in breach on all of them. Concerns about aspects of the parent’s conduct with other persons or issues had not become concrete matters for child removal. Since it’s obvious the children won’t be allowed to reside in those conditions on that property, there was the simple practical exercise of accessing ASAP a suitable accomodation option. More logically it would be to leave that current property or at worst access suitable residence care options -short term- while parents developed the property to acceptable standards. It would be assumed that if the latter option was chosen it would be local where these parents could sustain contact. It wouldn’t be hard to address the beuracratic parts of registering etc..
Across the US there are parents who have to work in upping their environment to get their kids back and learn the skills in how to do this, where this couple just need to get on with it. If they were truly loving committed parents, confident of the shared familial bonds, they would be addressing this ASAP and avoiding seperation from kids. OK though probably keep grumbling in blogs about over fussy intrusive govt standards.
Being extra off the grid and using selective justifications from a wide array of sources, regardless of context or unifying philosophy, have often been the tools of abusers who need to have very extreme control of their dependants, secrets to conceal, that they emulate many of the same principals as found in the practices of cults. If such people stumble under the radar of the authorities, they can lack the necessary flexability to respond effectively. Largely because they increasingly become incapable of loosening any degree of control over anything. It becomes their undoing.
After spending 11 months catering to the stupid nit picks of our children’s surroundings. The oldest was removed by VP @ his school, we were lied to by the school as well as the officer on scene and even the state employees who insulted me every chance they had. I have epilepsy, wish I could live off the grid. Why fight to support a system who doesn’t even care how the children feel. My daughter hates me having seizures, but wld nvr complain about me. Ur gonna be amazed at the outcome, but being raised self sufficient, these children have a head start on learning survival, which isn’t taught in school, as well as handwriting! I’ve had to teach my own myself! Why support a failing part of the community when it’s main concern isn’t the kids education as much as being able to play GOD with others lives! ?