Joe and Nicole Naugler live on a homestead in rural Kentucky. They live a very simple life. They garden and raise animals. They are industrious people trying to teach their children how to live right.
They have ten children who are homeschooled on the homestead. They contribute to the success of the family crops and livestock, all while learning about the amazing beauty of life.
On May 6th, 2015, Breckinridge Co. Sheriff’s officers came to their home, acting on an anonymous tip, and entered their property and home without a warrant and without probable cause. Nicole was at home with the two oldest children, while Joe was away with the others. When the officers left the home, they attempted to block the access road to the family property. Nicole and the two boys got in their car to leave the family property. The got only a short way down the road before the officers pulled Nicole over.
During this stop, sheriffs deputies took their two oldest boys from Nicole’s custody, providing her no justification or documentation to support their action. Nicole was able to contact Joe briefly by telephone, but only for a short period of time, because she needed to use her phone to record the events.
At that point, Nicole had been taken into custody for disorderly conduct (for not passively allowing the Sheriff to take her boys) and resisting arrest. Even though she is 5 months pregnant, she was slammed belly first into the cop car and bruised and scraped on both arms.
Joe was able to arrange transportation to meet his wife where the stop had taken place. Joe attempted to get out of the car to speak with the officers and his wife, and to recover the vehicle Nicole had been driving. The Sheriff, with his hand on his sidearm, ordered Joe back into the car. Joe complied with that request. The sheriff informed Joe that he had every intention of making this as difficult as possible for them and that their car would be impounded, despite the fact that Joe was there onsite to recover it.
A friend, who had driven Joe to the location, got out of the car to speak with the Sheriff. She was able to convince the Sheriff to let Joe recover the vehicle. Joe also recovered Nicole’s cell phone, which had been recording audio the entire time.
The Sheriff ordered Joe to turn the remaining eight children over to Breckinridge County Sheriff’s deputies by 10:00 a.m., and threatened him with felony charges if he does not comply.
At this time (roughly 5:00 CDT), Nicole is being held in custody in Hardinsburg, KY by the Breckinridge Co. Sheriff. The whereabouts of their two oldest sons is unknown to the family. Nicole faces a magistrate at 8:00 a.m. to set bail and an arraignment will take place shortly thereafter.
All of this has happened because of an anonymous complaint filed with CPS. In the state of KY, an anonymous complaint cannot be considered probable cause to pursue this course of action. It cannot be confirmed that this is the complainant, but earlier this week an acquaintance of the Naugler family threatened to file a CPS complaint against them, all because Joe “unfriended” this acquaintance on Facebook.
We ask for your support for the Naugler family at this time. Any support is greatly accepted. Whether you can or cannot contribute, please consider them in your prayers, meditations, positive energies, and any other support you can provide. Share their story!
This is so shameful. Shame on that sheriff and anyone who upholds pursuing action against this family.
I know how and what this couple is going through it is just that much harder cause insted of 2 it is 10 children the gov. is getting worse …..
To take children from a loving home is crazy ….
I had my children stolen but we(their father and I) stood fast we got them back but it is a hard emotional fight. It broke us my children were brought back we won the fight at the cost of our relationship.
Living off grid is not the reason. The reason is the parents are not indoctrinating their children in conformance with standards established by the state. These standards are determined by CPS, in accordance with the state marriage contract law wherein the husband and wife agreed to the terms when they filed their marriage license.
Part of the terms are that all children born to the couple are the property of the state.
If this couple did not get married with a marriage license recorded with the state then this couple needs to challenge CPS to present proof of its authority.
I am Eric Williams, The Radical In The Twilight
I find this hard to believe, although I know that the state has a right to make inquiries into a families life. I don’t see anything wrong here, a beautiful family. In California they would at least give the ‘family’ with such a good profile as a functional rural family. Home school is legal-and who needs school is the farm runs successfully! I am so tired of city ethics running country folks.
This has nothing to do with country or city ethics. It is about the City/County/state/Federal Government over stepping their bounds that it is leading to another American Revolution. This did not start under Obozo in the White House but it sure has escalated since he sat himself on the throne.
what was the tip the police received and by whom
Please keep us informed by way of Face Book, as thousands of us read this and want to help. I will wait to see what expenses they have before giving, meanwhile, I am praying, and informing others.
I live in E-town ,after years of my step-children using CPS as their personal bitches, (cps workers are such tools) I got on the net and I learned all I could about these hitch-men and their criminal organization . Stand your ground learn your rights. Most important of all advise you are gonna receive “Nobody who works with or for CPS cares about you or your children..They can NOT TAKE your children, (only a judge can do that with a court order) Please do not hand over your other children , ( abuse , sexual and physical is rampant in that organization) Go on youtube and search FIGHTING CPS KY and google that also. Learn your rights , fast because now your children are in real and present danger . In the off chance your actually guilty of neglect or abuse , God Bless Your Children , there’s no hope for a happy ending .
When CPS GETS INVOLVED WITH TAKING KIDS AWAY, THE PARENTS HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH ANY HOOPS THE ps WORKER AND COURT WORKR COMES UP WITH. nOT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THECHILD BUT JUST BECAUSE….NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY FOR PARENTS TO DO, NO MATTER THE COST, PRENTS HAVE TO DO IT.wHAT A SAD SITUATION.What I gather here is the Sherriff is justtryinggbto check out absituation he ws told about. But takigball 0 kids away….and for what? I never heard why. The Mom does know her rigghts and appears she was abused andher rigts violated. I liked the part where she says she was forced to pay for the sheriffs srvices but she didn’t need or want them. I cant imagine our county without police but some people don’t see everything the same way.Maybe Chinn from WDRB can come out and do a story???? Someone needs to get to the bottom of this before something bad happens to the prents or the kids, sounds like it has already happened to the family. The kids are now damaged emotionally forever by being taken.I now Sherriff Pate personally and he usually gives everyone a fair shake. I don’t know what is happening here???MayGod Bless this family, they are gonna need it.I thinkmthiswill cost Breck County ALOT of money…but Im just a plain old country girl.
Hi,
I hate to burst your bubble, but CPS isoperating, enforcing the marriage contract law, which requires parents to raise their children in conformance with standards established by the state.
As part of the terms of this contract the parents agree that any children born to them will be the property of the state and the parents are merely caretakers of state owned property.
Under this marriage license contract law CPS can take the children any time and do not need the order of any court.
I am Eric Williams, The Radical In The Twilight Zone
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Surely, the police department will be held responsible for the terri they are causing this family. his is unjust and illegal! I hope this family has good legal council. We are holding space for this family. Blessings.
As I shared this article on my facebook page I encouraged readers to call this sheriffs office and lodge complaints. The number to the sheriffs office is 270-756-2361. needless to say this sheriff should not be re-elected.
He was on TV for saving an abused child…several years ago and usually is pretty fair.
Needless to say no one ever runs against him!
I called the Sheriff’s office. They have no knowledge, and cannot comment. http://www.breckinridgecountysheriff.net/contactus.html
Get this in the news ASAP…so local attorneys can see it and offer to step up and help pro-bono.
what should we say when we call the sheriffs office?
The family should sue the false accuser and the kidnappers. Such abuse of power by the CPS is indicative of their belief that there are no limits on their ‘authority’.
Thank you for your support Martha. Please share the Naugler’s story with everyone you can.
Unfortunately, you can’t sue the accuser. As we were told, “It is their second amendment right to freedom of speech, and therefor can say whatever they want”.
You can retaliate though, for multiple false accusations by the same person. I’m not sure sue is the right word but CPS has a way to file a report or something about that. They will get in trouble for repeatedly making false accusations.
do you mean first amendment right? And the first amendment does not protect defamation and slander. Someone could be sued for slander
False reporting is a misdemeanor in Kentucky, but it can be difficult to have charges pressed. They would have to be able to prove they were the people who turned them in and that they lied. If they did, the family should push for charges, and they absolutely could sue though. First Amendment rights do not include the freedom to harass other people.
Here’s a silly term that you could use:
CPSWATted. The same way gamers get SWATted by mischevious parties, your family got CPS-SWATted by a douche with mischevious tendencies.
I called the Courthouse at 270-756-2361, and as soon as I asked about Nichole Naugler, the officer at the front desk, immediately hung up on me. I called a second time, the woman told me she’s not allowed to tell me anything because it’s a juvenile case. I told her that Nichole Naugler is an adult that was arrested, therefore she could tell me what she was charged with, and if she was in custody, the woman put me on hold, then hung up on me. I called a third time, she refused to answer anything, then transferred me to a man. The man tried to refuse to answer any questions, then told me Nichole was released, but told me not to call again. He told me that I would have to “go down to the clerks office” to get any information. The first call was 10 seconds, the second, 2 minutes 56 seconds, the third, 3 minutes 38 seconds. It seems the officers in Kentucky do not know they are legally required to answer basic questions.
Natalie, you are amazing. I have no word about Nicole’s release. I’ll talk to the family and provide an update as soon as possible.
You can find out who is in jail and court information here vinelink.com and courts.ky.gov. It is public information.
ARRAIGNMENT is scheduled for 05/12/2015 in room D in the Breckinridge County Courthouse. No time is listed in the court docket yet.
This seems impossible!! For this to happen in our Nation..but these folks are not alone. It is a spreading phenom! We Home schooled our 5 children in the 80’s & 90’s. At one point a mean neighbor decided to call DSS & report us for “child neglect” because our 6-year old was playing in the yard during school hours!! Here in NC, if contacted, they are required to come to the house within 24 hours to investigate! Of course when the officials arrived, I was napping with a sinus headache and the children had to wake me up…oh, boy…not good. They forced their way into the house and started to question the children. I immediately sent the children upstairs and told them they could speak with me. They were bullies!! The only saving grace was that we had joined a wonderful group of lawyers from Washington, DC who offered legal advise & protection for homeschoolers all the way to going to court & fighting in our defense for small yearly fee. I handed them a professional card and said if they had any questions they could contact our lawyers & asked them to leave our home until they did. I then immediately called the lawyer firm & gave them info..they contacted DSS & the case was dismissed & closed. If we hadn’t had that support, I know we would have had a battle also..I am hoping that a really great lawyer will stand up right now for this family and go to war for them pro bono!!! It will make all the difference! In the meantime our prayers are with you in hopes that today these children will be released to their parents so they can celebrate Mother’s Day with their own mother!!!!!
I cannot believe this is happening to your family. I hope you get justice for what has been done to you.
This was shared in a 6,500 member homeschooling group. When I saw this I was sure it had to be a lie- no way, not in America. I am so sorry- this isn’t a lie- it’s a nightmare. American liberties removed for no reason, it is simply unfathomable! I am so sorry. I have put you and your wife on the Temple prayer roll at the Nauvoo Temple, and we will be praying and hoping for updates. I shared your story on my wall and was thrilled to see Glenn Beck’s “Blaze” network has been on this as well.
Stay strong and thank you for being so smart and recording the conversation. Never thought I would see the day where Americans would need to routinely film themselves when dealing with law enforcement- but we are totally there.
So sorry- praying for you!!!!
What were the charges brought against them, please?
While i oppose the force that CPS showed in the apprehension, I could not support this family without knowing what the actual charges are. Anyone?
Lynn, the anonymous tip referenced that the family was living off grid.
If you could please post when official charges are made. I would love to help out as well, if the charges really are unfounded and only involve off grid and unschooling lifestyle.
What force did CPS show? They only asked to see the children so they could confirm or not the allegations from a report made to them. When she refused and got hot tempered, that’s when the sheriff came. He was extremely calm and tried to calmly explain to her what the process was for everyone who refused CPS to do a well check. But again she refused. She is the one who turned this into a crazy fest. I listened to the audios. She was defensive from the start. But this all started way before she started recording. It’s sad how the dad talked to his other kids.
I have to say, when you are a mama bear and you feel even the slightest chance of a threat to your children, you tend to put out your claws!! And obviously the neighbor (and maybe others) have been threatening & negative about their lifestyle for some time…It isn’t the neighbor’s business is they live “off the grid” and raise their children to learn in an unorthodox way! This is AMERICA…supposed to be the Land of the Free!! I always taught my children, ” You are free in this country, unless your freedom takes away the freedom of another.” Their lifestyle does NOT harm or remove the freedoms of another and therefore should not be put in jeopardy!!!
Dear Naugler Family ~ My heartfelt prayers are ascending and will continue. I have placed the family names on the prayer roll in the Jordan River Temple. I pray for this family to be healed and comforted. I know first-hand how authorities take power to themselves they have no business taking and how mentally, verbally, emotionally and physically abusive they can be without cause. I am saddened to read what has happened to the Naugler family, yet I know God will take measures and no good deed or misdeed will slip by His all-knowing eye. Remember, even Christ, the only perfect, sinless Man was wrongfully accused, brutally treated, spat upon and then gave His life. 1 Peter 2:18-23. There is a season for all things, a season to suffer and a time to take a stand. I pray for all involved to have the strength, faith and courage to do that which is needful. Blessings ~ Tawanda
So what if this family is living off grid. So what if they homeschool. I am a fellow homeschooler myself. What this boils down to is this families “FREEDOM” has been taken away all because of the anonymous CPS call and their “FREEDOM of SPEECH”. Whoopie Cookie! This is sad and shameful! I pray this family gets their children back.
This is very very scary. This country needs to turn to God more now then ever.
Someone a few posts up posted the court date and place. Everyone in KY or nearby that is available needs to show up in that courtroom!
And the problem with this is what exactly?
Some people don’t understand when some of us choose to live differently. It sounds like you had a lovely home. The police definitely did not need to manhandle Mrs. Naugler. I will pray for you and your family.
http://kentucky.arrests.org/Arrests/Joseph_Naugler_11183383/
These people are trying to act all innocent, when they are anti-law, anti-government. Wonder how many weapons they have in their compound? PARANOID. And if you hear the audio of when the heifer was arrested, she screamed and yelled and fake cried. Because she KNEW it was being recorded on her phone, and yes I guess she will have a few bruises when she RSISTS arrest. And they are lying about what happened and trying to gain sympathy and collecting money. Guess she is a whore after all. Per her comment she’d never be a whore for the state. Meaning she would not collect welfare etc. Breeding for Jesus. These people need to be sterilized.
You are a good little Nazi aren’t you ? I’m sure your masters will reward you .
Loppty is a troll living in his momma’s basement…That is all!
That’s not the same Joseph Naugler in that link. Different city and state.
You have never had a child of your own. I agree with the family the police had no right to place their hands on any of this family and the family should sue if I lived closer I would iin the court room giving my support. Stay strong and know the lord is with you.
You are pure Evil
Shame shame shame……
I can’t find it in my heart to wish you anything good… because I can’t recall when I have read anything that was so vicious and low-class nasty. “Heifer”…. “whore”… all directed at a woman who has the self respect and decency NOT to take dole from the state tax payers….
A woman who wasn’t costing you a dime.. who lived with an inborn sense of responsibility and took care of her children instead of “working out” and leaving them to grow up any old way like 75% of the women out there. She hasn’t asked anybody for a penny… you paranoid skinflint…
And what if she and her HUSBAND (not her live-in boyfriend who shares a welfare check), have weapons in their house?.. So what, they live in the country “off the grid”… that is normal.
Every hear of shooting a deer for meat you self righteous idiot?
A POX on you… loppety.
Whore for the fictitious STATE!!
Jim
World Freeman Society
Also funny in their PR photos of her looking downward at her pregnant belly, the picture of innocence then hear her scream the F word in her audio and act CRAZY. Doesn’t quite fit her picture and their agenda.
What agenda would that be ?
I will say again, just for Loppty. If a mama suspects ANY Perceived threat to her younguns, she becomes a great big GRIZZLY with CLAWS!! ( the equivalent of screaming and cursing and hitting & whatever she can do in “HUmans”)… Loppty, have you ever encountered even a little mama cat when she thinks her kits are threatened by you?? She will tear into you as tho’ she is a huge tiger!! Such is the instinctual reaction of a mama in ANY species…
You obviously don’t have children. I am a calm, quiet, law abiding citizen; but if someone tried to take my children WITH NO WARRANT OR ANY LEGAL CAUSE just some anonymous tip… I would freak out too. Living like our great-great-grandparents did should not be a crime. It was how we all got here today!
I just wanted to let you know I’m praying for your family, and sharing your story. It’s absolutely appalling what has happened here. I can’t even imagine the anguish these parents and children must be feeling. Keep fighting!! You have many who will stand and fight with you. We cannot allow the State to bully us into lifestyle choices that go against our beliefs and values. I’ll be watching this case closely. Praying that your children are protected physically and psychologically, and that mom and dad are surrounded with comfort and resilience.
I’ve read this story over and over and can’t see where it says what crime was committed that resulted in the need for CPS taking their children?
Wonder why she is so scared to have her children talked to? What’s she so afraid they’ll say? If she’s innocent, she should have just complied and it would all be over soon.
UMMM…That is an uniformed comment!! Having gone through classes & foster care program, etc. I can tell you that the children are questioned by these organizations (CPS, DSS, whatever it is in different states) in a way that brings the wanted response! I have seen it happen in several cases. They actually should not have the right to your children unless there has been a SPECIFIC charge of abuse or serious neglect!!
It all has to do with her constitutional rights. That is what’s wrong. Her rights to legal representation and not being accosted without a warrant is the problem. THey had no right to talk to her kids.
This sherrif demonstrated no regard for the supreme law of the land- the United States Constitution. It seems that his idea of the law is reversed whereby lesser laws trump the supreme law which protects the rights of citizens. Instead of this sherrif protecting the rights of citizens through his duties it would seem that he would rather violate the rights of citizens under his care and to misuse his authority by ASSAULTING a pregnant woman under false pretenses and justification in order to protect himself. He should face charges for this assault and must face more serious charges should anything happen to the baby of this pregnant mother who was victimized by the actions of a bully. This sherrif and those like him should be removed from authority as they are a disgrace to their position and to Constitution of the United States. They must once again fear the people whom they took an oath to both serve and to protect.
Well Said!
Name the sheriff post where he lives so you can protest outside of house.The sheriff needs to protest outside work church etc.
It all has to do with her constitutional rights. That is what’s wrong. Her rights to legal representation and not being accosted without a warrant is the problem. THey had no right to talk to her kids.
Our family had also been victims of CPS abuse. It’s been 3 yrs now since we got our children back, but my heart still leaps when a vehicle I do not know drives in the lane. I don’t have any answers , but I do know that if you are a happy loving family you are more at risk of having CPS take your children than if you are a child sex offender. May God have mercy on all these children that are at the mercy of CPS.
This is absurd, the government run BY the PEOPLE FOR the PEOPLE has no right to do this. The government is there only to assist people with their lives not run it. I wish the best for you and your family.
I am so sorry that this happened to your family. Just so you know, CPS has no legal grounds to remove your children. Even if there was trash around the cabin or in it that is not legal grounds to place children through the emotional torture of being away from their parents, family, dogs, cats, and Kentucky land. The economy is going to get real bad and they are setting precedence to kidnap children of families who live in poverty. How do they think the first Kentucky settlers made it here. They learn to survive on the land. As a US Senate Candidate I learned very quickly that our Kentucky families are falling more into poverty as the wealthy families get richer. Those with the wealth judge the poor and they think because they know the sheriffs or judges and they all hang out together that they can violate the law and get away with it and use the CPS or their connections to hurt the poor families who wont bow down to them. We see articles all the time about corruption here in Kentucky, we need good strong leaders to run for office and we need Kentucky citizens to realize that they need to get educated on those running for office and they need to go vote or else Kentucky and its families will continue to suffer. I was shocked that they said you have a pond and there was no fencing around it and that gave them grounds to take your children. On those grounds they would be taking children away from families all across the state of Kentucky. Also, I’d like to see any family raising ten kids have a perfectly clean home without a maid. Everyone needs to pray for Kentucky. These children need to be returned asap. Its not against the law to use a composting toilet or to not have running water. Acquiring the land is the most important and getting a structure up. It doesn’t have to be big, in fact smaller is better when you need to heat it for winter. By the way a lot of our Kentucky families also use Kerosene to heat their homes during winter. Are you going to go stalk the sellers of Kerosene next winter and take the kids away from those families who heat their homes or cabins with Kerosene? Invest in the land, add the small cabin and the running water when you can, until then just haul it in. We have many places in rural Kentucky were you just pay a $1.00 to fill up a large container of water. The farmers use them all the time. When you get the money add a pump. This is just crazy that they do this to you. We’re just so shocked with the rest of America. - Shawna Sterling
Concerned and thinking….mind boggling
What everybody needs to know here. The coming collapse of the petrodollar system, by Jerry Robinson
With the bankers and Wall Street, with the sanctioned government officials removing your rights and taxing you to death. And destroying the purchasing power of your currency.
remember George Bush’s words ” they hate our freedom ”
But what are they do with these other countries, they give them dictatorships instead of real democracies – there puppet government.
From democracy, crony capitalism to socialism, then to communism and finally fascism.
George Orwell’s 1984 is here!
Sorry this abuse is happening.
http://MothersOfLostChildren.org Might help with some questions.
Contact the (ACLU) American Civil Liberties Union, then Google “American Civil Liberties Union Child Protective Services” to see press releases on court cases where the ACLU went to filed suit over unlawful removal of children from the homes of law abiding citizens.
Good Luck.
HAS MSNBC COVERED THIS STORY THIS IS DEFINATELY A RACHEAL MADDOW STORY SHE HAS A WARM HEART AND CAN DRAW A GREAT AMOUNT OF SUPPORT
Since Terry Holliday took over as Kentucky School Commissioner he runs a Gestapo style of governing. His choice of governing is taking over education in counties, appointing his own hench men as superintendents, quieten the school board members, and threaten teachers into submission. Forcing children from home schooling comes as no surprise judging from what I have seen transpire from the county in which I was raised. The new style of ruling uses the newspaper, the police and apparently the CPS to spread their own propaganda and enforce their rules on families and their children. The commissioner is supposedly leaving Kentucky and will be replaced. Cover up the politicians with phone calls and mail; especially the Governor. Start from the top down. I am. This is pure trauma for this family, an invasion of privacy and trampling on our rights to live free. Freedom is an illusion.
This was a politically motivated action by the police. On the Day of Judgement, Justice will be served.
Please sue them. Please help stop stealing kids. Make an exame out of them they need to pay for what they have done to you and your children. Think of all the families u cld save by going big with this! I live in evansville. Grew up in perry co. Indiana right acrossed the rive from ya. Perry county cps is the devil. Their sooooo bad they so not let anyone think they have rights everyone lets them run them over. Show them all we have rights!!!
Don’t blame the fox for stealing your chickens when you give him the key to your chicken coop!
As I read through this horror story I kept looking for “The Rest Of The Story”, which was blatantly missing.
CPS is doing its assigned job, acting to protect the state owned children! Did you get that? CPS is protecting the state owned children from caretaker “parents” who are blatantly and flagrantly violating their responsibility to raise the state owned children in conformance with state established standards.
Does this shock you? Do you disagree? If so it is because you have not done your homework!
How do children become owned by the state, especially when the children are under the care of their natural parents? If you don’t know, then you have not read the state law in regard to the contract couples enter into with the state when the couple applies for and is married under a state issued marriage license.
Along this line, a 1930s Arizona Supreme Court case states that parents have no property right in their children, and have custody of their children during good behavior at the sufferance of the State.
This means that parents may raise their children and maintain custody of their children as long as they don’t offend the State, but if they in some manner displease the State, the State can step in at any time and exercise its superior status and take custody and control of its children - the parents are only conditional caretakers.
The marriage license is an ongoing contractual relationship with the State. Technically, the marriage license is a business license allowing the husband and wife, in the name of the marriage, to enter into contracts with third parties and contract mortgages and debts. They can get car loans, home mortgages, and installment debts in the name of the marriage because it is not only a secular
enterprise, but it is looked upon by the State as a privileged business enterprise as well as a for-profit business enterprise. The marriage contract acquires property through out its existence and over time, it is hoped, increases in value. Also, the marriage contract “bears fruit” by adding children.
If sometime later, the marriage fails, and a “divorce” results the contract continues in existence. The “divorce” is merely a contractual
dissolution or amendment of the terms and conditions of the contract. Jurisdiction of the State over the marriage, over the husband and wife, now separated, continues and continues over all aspects of the marriage, over marital property and over children brought into the marriage.
That is the end of this excerpt from this Arizona article. The marriage contract laws in your state may vary from this, but they are all very similar.
When a couple publicly asserts they are married, CPS will assume they are married under a state issued marriage license contract. This is true because all states have outlawed common law marriages. But there is an out under a challenge to the political jurisdiction of the state.
The Federal Thirteenth Amendment prohibits any state from declaring anyone to be subservient thereto, but “everyone” is indoctrinated to believe that were born into U.S. citizenship, which is NOT true. The Thirteenth Amendment prohibits citizenship by birth, no matter what you have been programmed to believe!
What I wrote here above may not apply to this couple and their ten children IF they were not married under a state issued marriage license contract. If they were not, then they need to challenge STATE of KENTUCKY to present proof that SOK has any manner of jurisdiction over this couple or their children.
If they were married under a state issued marriage license contract they can challenge SOK’s jurisdiction for failure to disclose the terms of the contract when the marriage license was applied for, issued, and recorded after the marriage ceremony.
Cheers,
I am Eric Williams, The Radical In The Twilight Zone
Eric, you are right about the ownership of the children. UNLESS you assert your right as owner of your property, then the nanny state will presume THEY are the owner of your children. And so children would fall under the state’s (CPS’) jurisdiction, and the loving sheriff’s will “just follow orders”. But the nameless, inanimate state can be dealt with on a man to man basis.
NOTE in regard to following item: I, Eric Williams, The Radical In The Twilight Zone (the United States), am the original author and Common Law Copyright holder of the Notice and Demand presented herein below. I offer it here for Joe and Nicole Naugler for them to use against STATE OF KENTUCKY CPS, should they care to serve it, but for no others without my express permission. No Paytri-Idiot edits allowed!
This item is ineffective without Exhibit A, posted on my private Yahoo Group. I can be contacted on my public group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whoru.
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PRELIMINARY NOTICE
OF CHALLENGE TO STATE OF KENTUCKY’S
POLITICAL OR CONTRACTUAL JURISDICTION
OVER THESE BELLIGERENT CLAIMANTS
and
DEMAND
THAT CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES OF STATE OF KENTUCKY
PRESENT PROOF OF STATE OF KENTUCKY’S JURISDICTION
OVER THESE BELLIGERENT CLAIMANTS’ FAMILY
-
CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES OF
STATE OF KENTUCKY’S INHERENT FAILURE
TO PRESENT SUCH PROOF SHALL CONSTITUTE
ITS AVERMENT THAT IT HAS NO MANNER OF JURISDICTION OVER THESE BELLIGERENT CLAIMANT’S FAMILY
AND RESPECTS THEIR ASSERTION
OF THEIR RIGHTS UNDER COMMON LAW
The issues:
1. This is a challenge to the Political and or civil contractual Jurisdiction of STATE OF KENTUCKY, particularly Child Protective Services of STATE OF KENTUCKY (“CPS/SOK”), such being of the Executive Branch of SOK .
2. In accordance with Exhibit “A” hereto, it is the responsibility of CPS/SOK, of the Executive Branch of SOK. to present its proof, from its existing files, to be attested to by an actual living eyewitness, that said State has in some manner, in conformance to the restriction set forth and established in the Thirteenth Amendment to the Federal Constitution, gained the voluntary agreement of these Belligerent Claimants to be subservient to the Political or civil contractual Jurisdiction of SOK .
3. This PRELIMINARY NOTICE has been prompted by contact of these Belligerent Claimants by CPS/SOK, wherein CPS/SOK seems to have presumed it has the same degree of control over these Belligerent Claimants’ children as it does over those persons who have voluntarily submitted themselves, generally, to SOK, and particularly to CPS/SOK, through marriage under a marriage license contract where; under such marriage license contract; the children of such marriage contract relationship are agreed to be the property of SOK.
4. Let CPS/SOK be hereby advised, until CPS/SOK presents proof of some manner of jurisdiction of SOK over these Belligerent Claimants, in accordance with the provisions of this Preliminary Notice, that CPS will have no authority to, and will not proceed further with it’s investigation against these Belligerent Claimants or their children.
5. In consideration of the foregoing, CPS/SOK , in recognition of its lack of jurisdiction, has no option, other than to discontinue any further investigation or contact with these Belligerent Claimants or their children.
ADDITIONAL ADMONISHMENTS
6. Based on all the foregoing, let CPS/SOK be hereby advised; these Belligerent Claimants are NOT herein making or implying any manner of assertion as to what their political status is in relation to the United States or SOK and none should be inferred by CPS or by said STATE; and, SOK/CPS has no standing to inquire of these Belligerent Claimants as to their political or civil contractual status in regard to SOK. The burden of proof is on the charging entity, SOK;
7. In reference to Exhibit “A” hereto, set forth in paragraph 4 herein above and incorporated therein and thereat, in full by such reference, is a list of forty-five (45) appellate court case citations that establish that when jurisdiction (of any manner), is challenged, it must be proved, on the record, and attested to by a living eyewitness, subpoenaed by the charging party, the Executive Branch of SOK, not declared or assumed by CPS/SOK based on its own determination or on any assertion presented by any representative of SOK, that is not attested to, in court, by a living eyewitness, cross examined by these Belligerent Claimants. (See Exhibit “A”, par 39-45).
8. It is clearly self evident that the Thirteenth Amendment to the Federal Constitution causes the admonitions in these 45 appellate court cases to apply reasonably, in this instant case, to the charging party, the Executive Branch of SOK, and NOT directly to CPS. However, let it be clear, the burden of proof is upon CPS to establish SOK has properly acquired some manner of jurisdiction over these Belligerent Claimants and their children.
9. However, let CPS be hereby advised, as a subdivision of SOK, CPS has no standing to proceed against these Belligerent Claimants or their children, unless and until the Executive Branch of SOK presents its proof, from its files, substantiated by the attestation of an eyewitness, attesting that at the time and on the date these Belligerent Claimants were approached by CPS/SOK, that such State then had and now has properly gained and maintained Political and or civil contractual Jurisdiction over these Belligerent Claimants and their children; (Exhibit “A”, pars 1-38);
10. And that a real live eyewitness will attest that SOK has gained such jurisdiction in full compliance with and not in violation of the restrictions established in the Thirteenth Amendment to the Federal Constitution; that unless and until such proof is presented and attested to, neither SOK or CPS will regain any authority to ever again interfere with the life of these Belligerent Claimants, Tom and Mary Smith, or their children!
11. CPS/SOK (through either its Administrative/Judicial Branch or its Executive Branch), does not have standing to interrogate these Belligerent Claimants in their efforts to establish that SOK had political or civil contractual jurisdiction over these Belligerent Claimants , and certainly do not have standing to attempt to establish such jurisdiction to be effective at this late date.
12. SOK must present its proof from its existing files, and if SOK claims to have such proof, such proof must be presented to these Belligerent Claimants in writing, together with the sworn declaration of the STATE’S eyewitness, including (but not limited to) the eyewitness’ name and contact information. And, these Belligerent Claimants must be accorded a reasonable opportunity to depose the STATE’S eyewitness and subpoena witnesses and gather evidence in opposition thereto, if deemed necessary by these Belligerent Claimants.
Discussion
13. The issue of this Notice and Demand is limited to examining the issue of whether or not SOK can present proof that it has political or civil contractual jurisdiction over these Belligerent Claimants and/or over their children. The underlying issues of CPS are NOT relevant! (EX. “A”, pars 1-38).
14. The relationship of the standing of these Belligerent Claimants to SOK is a political issue based on SOK’S compliance with the Federal Thirteenth Amendment; it is not a judicial issue.
15. CPS/SOK does not have standing to determine the political status of either of there Belligerent Claimants any more than would CPS/SOK have standing to determine the political status of the Queen of England.
16. This is true because the political status of any person can only be determined by the voluntary act of each individual, based on their own individual choice, as is clearly established in the prohibition of involuntary servitude, set forth and established in the Thirteenth Amendment to the Federal
Constitution.
17. Let SOK and CPS be further advised; The presentation herein and references herein to the forty-five (45) appellate court cases pertaining to and establishing proper protocols in regard to procedures once jurisdiction has been challenged are not offered herein by these Belligerent Claimants as any basis for their Challenge to the jurisdiction of SOK over these Belligerent Claimants.
18. Let SOK and this CPS be further advised; the Fundamental Basis of these Belligerent Claimants’ Jurisdictional Challenge goes to the very existence of SOK and is based on Natural Law as is embodied and Recognized and established as an integral part of the Constitution of the United States of America, in the Thirteenth Amendment thereto!
19. Federal Thirteenth Amendment:
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime, whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
20. Let SOK and this CPS be hereby further advised, We, Joe and Mary Smith, freely acknowledge that the CPS and SOK have a serious dilemma, as there is no possible way that SOK can present proof that it has properly gained any manner of jurisdiction over these Belligerent Claimants or their children, and at the same time, that if CPS/SOK responds with the information that it does purport to have, CPS/SOK knows that we will eviscerate any such presentation due to the self evident fraudulent procurement thereof by SOK, thereby totally embarrassing SOK.
Proceeding at all times under Threat, Duress and Coercion
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Joe and Mary Smith
c/o P.O. Box XX,
Breckinridge County, KENTUCKY 12345
May 10, 2015
I,m schok right nowi al an recently unschooller solo mama from 8 years old hoy.i thought in EUA….homeschooling as legal….ou shit!!!! Wat is this???? My prays for this family tooo….
Just leave, leave that horrible country. The world is a wonderful place. We left 6 years ago, never looked back. The best decision ever.
My heart breaks for your family. People should be FREE to live simply. I believe that the government is afraid that too many others will catch on to this lifestyle and realize how far we can pull away from their influence, so they are trying to stomp it out. Blessings to all of you.
God be with your family and send you an angel of might to free the mom and the family! In Jesus’s name Amen!
In Florida, #1, it’s unlawful to harm (even grab) a pregnant female. Also, in Florida, children are returned to “druggie” parents, even newborns who are born with drugs in their systems. Love the system… (heavy sarcasm). With police, there’s the “good ole boys” - the only way is their way. Makes it bad for the ones who truly are in it to help. And CFS picks on the children NOT abused, just reported out of retaliation or such, and send the truly abused back to their drug-ladened or violent parents.
If it were us, we’d revoke our voter registrations. Then contact at least 16 people to volunteer in that county’s Grand Jury and propose an indictment against the sherif his superiors and name everyone involved for felony kidnapping with a deadly weapon. Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, grand theft auto etc. Endangering the life of minors etc. I’m quite serious, indict everyone involved to stand trial and if the judge gets in the way, indict him for contempt of court and obstructing the official duties of the Grand Jury.
But you would be wrong because the Sheriff is simply following and enforcing the law, the marriage contract law that CPS is enforcing. This law requires parents to raise their children in conformance with guidelines established by the state.
I am Eric Williams, The Radical In The Twilight Zone
Unless you appear as a “man”, outside of that code you are quoting.
I feel sorry for your situation and I wish you much patience and strength in dealing with it. However, I am wondering about your simple homestead lifestyle, and all of a sudden “Facebook” and online “friends”? That would be the first item of civilization that I would abandon before running water and electricity.
This is not an isolated case. I liveway off grid too and people around here with children have to live VERY quietly - hidden almost - if they do not have the “proper” set up especially hot running water and flush toilets. As though these were ANY guarantee of health and safety. There is an almost knee-jerk reaction that we are somehow “crazies” for notbuying into the whole 9-yards of civilized life. All we can do is do what matters to us and be prepared to fight back if challenged. Whatever that means to each one of us.
To the Moderator, Admin,
Would you please be so kind as to inform me why the two comments I posted on May 9th & 10th, when there were 57 comments posted, is still waiting for moderation?
I am very concerned as many of the comments posted here are based on ignorance of the marriage contract license law and the fact that CPS is operating, enforcing that contract.
How can we ever get rid of such laws when the truth is withheld and people are stirred up in the wrong direction?
I am Eric Williams, The Radical In The Twilight Zone
Eric, sincerest apologies. I have been so busy helping with the other aspects of this situation that I fell behind on my comment moderation duties. Thank you for the advice. I will make sure Joe and Nicole are aware of these concerns.
To The Moderator, Admin,
Please believe me, I fully understand being busy. We need more hours in a day! (Or less dishonesty in government - LOL).
I see you have posted all my comments, thank you.
We need readers to go after their state legislators to rescind these draconian laws, instead of harassing the Sheriff or even the goons that work for CPS.
I am Eric Williams, The Radical In The Twilight Zone
Our lovely “Death Spiral” Commonwealth, once famous for raising great Americans off-the-grid.
Now with the highest percentages of methlabs, toasted CPS pension funds and SSI recipients in the world, it is busily dividing fruitful and self-sufficient houses against themselves.
Matthew 10
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
The head must bow and the back will have to bend,
Wherever these poor folks may go
A few more days and the trouble will end,
In the fields where the SSI payments grow.
A few more days for to tote the weary load,
No matter, ’twill never be light
A few more days till we totter on the road,
Then my old Kentucky home, good night.
I hope this family gains enough support to file a lawsuit against both the “complainer” and the police department and sues them all back into the stone age!